84% of Lucas Oil races were won from the first two rows

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  • Kipimak
    Member
    • Jan 2022
    • 40

    #16
    21 of RTJ’s 25 victories came from starting in the first 2 rows. His other 4 wins he started 6th, 7th, 7th and 8th.

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    • Highside Hustler25
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2009
      • 12950

      #17
      Never expected Pierce to have more Lucas wins than Moran, T Mac, and Overton.
      8/13/16

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      • Kipimak
        Member
        • Jan 2022
        • 40

        #18
        Pierce’s 3 Lucas wins were from 8th, 10th and 13th.

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        • Raceready
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2015
          • 4737

          #19
          Originally posted by Highside Hustler25 View Post
          Never expected Pierce to have more Lucas wins than Moran, T Mac, and Overton.
          I believe that it was not any surprise to me! !

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          • weatherman85
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2012
            • 807

            #20
            I'd be interested in seeing some stats like this from the 90s/2000s so we could really compare. While I was just a young boy in the 90s, I sure do remember a lot of races back then also being won from the first 2 rows at my local tracks.

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            • klemmabyna
              Senior Member
              • May 2007
              • 2065

              #21
              Originally posted by weatherman85 View Post
              I'd be interested in seeing some stats like this from the 90s/2000s so we could really compare. While I was just a young boy in the 90s, I sure do remember a lot of races back then also being won from the first 2 rows at my local tracks.
              I would like to see a comparison as well. My memory was that it may have been even worse with straight up starts based on full field time trials. there is a reason inverts were implemented.
              And the days that I keep my gratitude higher than my expectations, well, I have really good days - Ray Wylie Hubbard

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              • BloomerHarvickFan
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2007
                • 546

                #22
                Originally posted by Highside Hustler25 View Post
                If the fast qualifiers start up front, then what kind of results do you expect?
                I feel like this is especially bad due to the 30, 40, 50 lap features. I wonder how much this changes during 100 lappers. Fuel loads more dramatically changing, tire fall off becoming a bigger factor, etc.

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                • riddle28
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 1088

                  #23
                  they should just have a lemans start, maybe that would please some of yall

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                  • MasterSbilt_Racer
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2007
                    • 14320

                    #24
                    Originally posted by riddle28 View Post
                    they should just have a lemans start, maybe that would please some of yall
                    Sounds like another gimmick. We just want to be entertained by good racing.
                    Modern Day Spec Wedge Racing

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                    • Fast Wheels
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2007
                      • 137

                      #25
                      The fans have blame in this as long as they continue to buy tickets to this garbage racing.

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                      • MasterSbilt_Racer
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2007
                        • 14320

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Fast Wheels View Post
                        The fans have blame in this as long as they continue to buy tickets to this garbage racing.
                        The racers are also to blame, for showing up. But that's slowly correcting...
                        Modern Day Spec Wedge Racing

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                        • Dirt Clod
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 528

                          #27
                          Some people may not like USAC, but their method of inverting the top 6 cars every night in the sprint car and midget heat races and features demands elbows up and great racing! You gotta get in the top 4 in your heat race to get your inversion for the feature. No fast qualifiers starting the front row except the Silver Crown.

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                          • fryefan
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2007
                            • 3547

                            #28
                            Originally posted by 84wedge View Post
                            80% of Lucas Oil races were won by Longhorn chassis. 18% of Lucas Oil races were won by Rocket Chassis with the house car winning 55% of those.
                            I am surprised that it is not higher than that. The format sucks.

                            IMCA weekly format (inverts) and passing point systems provide FAR better racing.

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                            • fryefan
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2007
                              • 3547

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Dirt Clod View Post
                              Some people may not like USAC, but their method of inverting the top 6 cars every night in the sprint car and midget heat races and features demands elbows up and great racing! You gotta get in the top 4 in your heat race to get your inversion for the feature. No fast qualifiers starting the front row except the Silver Crown.
                              Awesome format that provides much better racing.

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                              • Raceready
                                Senior Member
                                • Jun 2015
                                • 4737

                                #30
                                Originally posted by 84wedge View Post
                                80% of Lucas Oil races were won by Longhorn chassis. 18% of Lucas Oil races were won by Rocket Chassis with the house car winning 55% of those.
                                So one might guess that the theory that it was an off year for Rocket last year because of the number of the bigger races Longhorn won last year hasn't really changed any this season ?

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