The definition of champion has been cheapened

[Pennsboro32]

The fact there's almost no Rockets left on the two major tours tells a lot too. A few years ago there wasn't a single Longhorn on WoO, now it's just Dennis Erb in a Rocket and look at the year he had.

This season?

Ryan Gustin. Chris Madden was in one the majority of the season. Brian Shirley. Bronson the majority.

If you don’t think there won’t be some horns going to rocket this off-season you’re mistaken.

[SLlDlNG SIDEWAYS]

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Never said it was a good thing, it wasn't. Nobody had a gun to the heads of those who didn't agree with it, they stayed in it all on their own doing.

[TBSprintFan]

I'm entertained by a good race. The champion is just recognized at season end for consistently getting the job done. I've never counted points while watching a race.

Show us where in the 2023 Lucas Oil Late Model Series rulebook that it says the Champion is recognized at the season end for consistently getting the job done. It's not there and you know it. The highest place finisher in last nights race was the Championship Winner which is Hudson O'Neal.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Show us where in the 2023 Lucas Oil Late Model Series rulebook that it says the Champion is recognized at the season end for consistently getting the job done. It's not there and you know it. The highest place finisher in last nights race was the Championship Winner which is Hudson O'Neal.

They chose to cheapen the accomplishment. It's not there. The picture man and his merry men decided it was more important to add suspense or something.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

The history is corrupted. It's like when Essex talks about how ole Bloomer made the dtwc 34 times. That accomplishment now means absolutely nothing. All you have to do is follow the Lucas tour around to get in the show now.

[TBSprintFan]

They chose to cheapen the accomplishment. It's not there. The picture man and his merry men decided it was more important to add suspense or something.

In maybe yours and a few others they chose to cheapen the accomplishment. I think it's time for you to start your own series, run your rules and see how you do instead of making countless posts a month on here. I have been around this sport for 50+ years and I didn't have no problem with the way it was run this year.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

In maybe yours and a few others they chose to cheapen the accomplishment. I think it's time for you to start your own series, run your rules and see how you do instead of making countless posts a month on here. I have been around this sport for 50+ years and I didn't have no problem with the way it was run this year.

If Forrest pays for everything for me, I'll do it. I've been in it for almost 40 years and it's in trouble. There is no way to equate a 1 race accomplishment with a 40 race one.

[TBSprintFan]

If Forrest pays for everything for me, I'll do it. I've been in it for almost 40 years and it's in trouble. There is no way to equate a 1 race accomplishment with a 40 race one.

Forest has his own series which we are talking about, you are the one that doesn't like the way his series is run. Racing has been in trouble ever since I have been around and it's still here 50+ years later. The real worry is when will the environmentalists shut all of this down, or when racers will have to use electric motors.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Forest has his own series which we are talking about, you are the one that doesn't like the way his series is run. Racing has been in trouble ever since I have been around and it's still here 50+ years later. The real worry is when will the environmentalists shut all of this down, or when racers will have to use electric motors.

Dirt late models were in much better shape in 1987 than 1982. It hasn't always gotten worse. I agree with the rest of your comments. Forrest doesn't run his series. He has idiots to do that for him. That's where I was going with that.

[ride height]

Everyone who ran the series knew the rules up front and chose to run the series. So…the correct person won the championship. You don’t have to like it, I don’t really think it’s fair either. However….the rules were the rules when everyone lined up to run back on the first race of the year knowing what they had to do to win the crown. So….you can do one of a few things….start your own racing series, write a letter to the people who make the rules, don’t follow Lucas anymore, sit back…watch the races and enjoy them, go bar hopping on Saturday nights instead of going to the track… if all the racers who ran the series were ok with it when the season started, they have no basis to complain now. I don’t even hear the racers complaining…only fans.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Ricky is complaining pretty loudly, considering the sponsor of the mess was one of his sponsors. There are more people to satisfy than just the racers. The satisfying the racers first mindset is part of the problems with the sport, tbh

[TBSprintFan]

Dirt late models were in much better shape in 1987 than 1982. It hasn't always gotten worse. I agree with the rest of your comments. Forrest doesn't run his series. He has idiots to do that for him. That's where I was going with that.

And I agree with you about 1987 compared to 1982. So much of it is also in conjunction with the economy of the country, when more people have money, more race cars, less money, less race cars. And also people with money will spend any amount of money to win in any class, just to be a winner. Late Models are not the only one with problems, modifieds are just as bad, first modifieds then they got out of hand price and rule wise, so then b mods and now economy mods.

I know Forest doesn't run the series, but I wouldn't go and say that he has idiots running it for him. I sure and the he!! wouldn't want the job. To keep up with the rules, keeping drivers, car owners and track owners happy and then to find and keep all of the sponsors happy to invest in this sport. That's where this Final Four came about, Big River Steel wanted to add money to the championship but run it the way they wanted it run. As a series would you say no to that and giving the drivers more money? I sure and the he!! wouldn't.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

And I agree with you about 1987 compared to 1982. So much of it is also in conjunction with the economy of the country, when more people have money, more race cars, less money, less race cars. And also people with money will spend any amount of money to win in any class, just to be a winner. Late Models are not the only one with problems, modifieds are just as bad, first modifieds then they got out of hand price and rule wise, so then b mods and now economy mods.

I know Forest doesn't run the series, but I wouldn't go and say that he has idiots running it for him. I sure and the he!! wouldn't want the job. To keep up with the rules, keeping drivers, car owners and track owners happy and then to find and keep all of the sponsors happy to invest in this sport. That's where this Final Four came about, Big River Steel wanted to add money to the championship but run it the way they wanted it run. As a series would you say no to that and giving the drivers more money? I sure and the he!! wouldn't.

Major rules changes were there for plenty of the positive change. Right now, we still have historic prosperity. Blood in the streets is coming. I'm assuming you actually follow sprints more. They aren't as screwed up because the cars are mostly unchanged.

[kidrock]

Playoffs entertain people, all sports use them. Fans can choose whether or not they want to follow the sport. However bellyaching about the rules is a waste of time and energy.

The bellyaching about Nascar is also boring. People that don't like the rules, simply should not follow that sport either.

BTW, I thought that the race Sunday was quite entertaining. I am pretty sure many fans enjoyed it more than the drivers. The big E. did a great job even being able to pull the race off.

I just watched the replay and I agree with you it was quite the entertaining race.. I have always liked the race on a rough track. Ok maybe not that rough but, I think they put on some good races and you can usually find Sheppard at the front.

[Raceready]

I just watched the replay and I agree with you it was quite the entertaining race.. I have always liked the race on a rough track. Ok maybe not that rough but, I think they put on some good races and you can usually find Sheppard at the front.

I take it that you also enjoy motocross and enduro races because we seen both at Eldora during that debacle last night ? ?