2024 WoO roster potential

[klemmabyna]

...I am sure with the winnings they had in 2023 from Lucas Oil... they are okay with the outcome.

I disagree. They wanted that title "Champion".

i will ignore the rest of your opinion.

[ftfiowa]

2024 WoO Roster Confirmed:

1. 32 pierce
2. 19r gustin
3. 30 cooney
4. 3s/8 shirley
5. 9 hoffman
6. 97 dillard
7. 14w walker
8. 22x mclaughlin
9. 6jr martin
10. 20tc chamberlain
11. 19 sorenson
12. ? overton

[ftfiowa]

2024 WoO roster confirmed:

1. 32 pierce
2. b5 sheppard
3. 19r gustin
4. 30 cooney
5. 3s/8 shirley
6. 9 hoffman
7. 97 dillard
8. 14w walker
9. 22x mclaughlin
10. 6jr martin
11. 20tc chamberlain
12. 19 sorensen
13. ? overton

[Kipimak]

Add Kyle Bronson

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I am glad most of you do not own businesses... and it shows or you would be bankrupt.

Comparing year-end events... a driver had the opportunity to win $100,000 plus a championship worth $200,000 or $100,000 for fourth with Lucus. For WoO, i can win two nights and get $30,000 at the World Finals plus a championship worth $150,000 or $75,000 for fourth.

The tow money is a wash between the two series.

But add in all the lucrative events Lucas has versus WoO... seriously, you're going to ask which series to run?

RTJ never envisioned a year like 2023... no one could. All of your saying otherwise are saying so with the benefit of knowing the season, how it played out and applying to the year end format.

If Lucas doesn't implement this Chase format, Ricky wins $150K just like the winner did in 2022 and the only thing different is the title. I am sure with the winnings they had in 2023 from Lucas Oil... they are okay with the outcome.

Add this... leading into the World Finals all Pierce had to do was show up and the title was his. The media and buzz leading up to the World Finals was nominal. However, the buzz, attendance and viewership leading up to the Lucas final was off the charts as four drivers had a chance to win. Love it or hate it... everyone was tuned in so for Lucas Oil... mission accomplished!

Most of the "buzz" was chatter about how absurd the format was.

[kidrock]

I am glad most of you do not own businesses... and it shows or you would be bankrupt.

Comparing year-end events... a driver had the opportunity to win $100,000 plus a championship worth $200,000 or $100,000 for fourth with Lucus. For WoO, i can win two nights and get $30,000 at the World Finals plus a championship worth $150,000 or $75,000 for fourth.

The tow money is a wash between the two series.

But add in all the lucrative events Lucas has versus WoO... seriously, you're going to ask which series to run?

RTJ never envisioned a year like 2023... no one could. All of your saying otherwise are saying so with the benefit of knowing the season, how it played out and applying to the year end format.

If Lucas doesn't implement this Chase format, Ricky wins $150K just like the winner did in 2022 and the only thing different is the title. I am sure with the winnings they had in 2023 from Lucas Oil... they are okay with the outcome.

Add this... leading into the World Finals all Pierce had to do was show up and the title was his. The media and buzz leading up to the World Finals was nominal. However, the buzz, attendance and viewership leading up to the Lucas final was off the charts as four drivers had a chance to win. Love it or hate it... everyone was tuned in so for Lucas Oil... mission accomplished!

Very well said.

[blncfn57]

I am glad most of you do not own businesses... and it shows or you would be bankrupt.

Comparing year-end events... a driver had the opportunity to win $100,000 plus a championship worth $200,000 or $100,000 for fourth with Lucus. For WoO, i can win two nights and get $30,000 at the World Finals plus a championship worth $150,000 or $75,000 for fourth.

The tow money is a wash between the two series.

But add in all the lucrative events Lucas has versus WoO... seriously, you're going to ask which series to run?


RTJ never envisioned a year like 2023... no one could. All of your saying otherwise are saying so with the benefit of knowing the season, how it played out and applying to the year end format.

If Lucas doesn't implement this Chase format, Ricky wins $150K just like the winner did in 2022 and the only thing different is the title. I am sure with the winnings they had in 2023 from Lucas Oil... they are okay with the outcome.

Add this... leading into the World Finals all Pierce had to do was show up and the title was his. The media and buzz leading up to the World Finals was nominal. However, the buzz, attendance and viewership leading up to the Lucas final was off the charts as four drivers had a chance to win. Love it or hate it... everyone was tuned in so for Lucas Oil... mission accomplished!

I'll go ahead and assume you have never competed for anything in your life. These guys work their a$$es off to have seasons like Ricky had. Perhaps nobody saw it coming, but that is ALWAYS the goal(to kick everyones a$$). This gimmick was created to manufacture a close finish for the championship, in other words... to screw a guy that does exactly what Ricky did when that should be the goal and should be rewarded.

What did Pierce win $ wise this year compared to Ricky? Did Ricky come out money ahead over what McCreadie did last year in points payout money?

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/zqavx7htjlitdd6eo1oxa/Photo-Oct-28-2023-9-52-02-PM.jpg?rlkey=s7xs4c4pzn0yhcw0eb0cirf90&dl=0

[kidrock]

The sport has been begging for more money for the sport. Bigger payouts, bigger points fund. Well here it is.

[waaac77]

It’s a mockery of the sport. Why not just do 1 lap to determine the SEASON points leader? I guess some people just don’t give a rats azz about bs manufactured excitement. Why not just draw a name out of a hat. Lucas oil sucks. Had no interest in watching any of their races all year because they were basically meaningless and the only one that mattered was DTWC. One race lol.

[blncfn57]

The sport has been begging for more money for the sport. Bigger payouts, bigger points fund. Well here it is.

The money should also be in line with performance. The season ending points should be reflective of a body of work measured all season. When it comes to that body of work, did Moran's season long performance even compare to RTJ's??
If money is what brings excitement, then have the top 3 or 4 race a no-bull style format (full field) for one race and pay those drivers the extra money by how they finish against eachother. Don't make the season long points a gimmick, it should be rewarded as a year long achievement.

[kidrock]

The money should also be in line with performance. The season ending points should be reflective of a body of work measured all season. When it comes to that body of work, did Moran's season long performance even compare to RTJ's??
If money is what brings excitement, then have the top 3 or 4 race a no-bull style format (full field) for one race and pay those drivers the extra money by how they finish against eachother. Don't make the season long points a gimmick, it should be rewarded as a year long achievement.

57, don't get me wrong I would be all for them keeping it the way it was but, they changed it and as long as the drivers knew what the format was before the year started then I don't know what the beef is. They could have ran WOO instead but, choose to stay with the Lucas tour because of the potential of winning the money at years end. The drivers and teams could have let Lucas officials know they didn't agree with it and they would be running WOO but, they didn't as far as I know. Maybe it was discussed but, I haven't seen anywhere where they did. so, Maybe someone can verify or correct me on that.

[blncfn57]

57, don't get me wrong I would be all for them keeping it the way it was but, they changed it and as long as the drivers knew what the format was before the year started then I don't know what the beef is. They could have ran WOO instead but, choose to stay with the Lucas tour because of the potential of winning the money at years end. The drivers and teams could have let Lucas officials know they didn't agree with it and they would be running WOO but, they didn't as far as I know. Maybe it was discussed but, I haven't seen anywhere where they did. so, Maybe someone can verify or correct me on that.

The old saying is "if you finish well, the points will take care of themselves". I don't think that is necessarily the case anymore, most everyone who watched the races this year struggle with Ricky not being the champion. As I've said before, if they choose to run Lucas again this year, there will be no sympathy from me. I felt bad for Ricky last year because I don't think anyone thought it could happen, now they know.
Everyone has different reasons for running the tour they run be it the tracks they go to, the format, the money, etc.
I keep hearing about the money Lucas offers but nobody responded when I asked how much money Ricky made this year compared to Bobby?
You all realize that the ones funding this stuff have lots of money and can obviously afford to lose it or they wouldn't do it? Alot of their investment is at risk, so it's not really the same as most businesses. That $200,000 could buy a complete car and all the spares for it (maybe)? A couple bad nights and that could all be gone..... championships last forever.
I'll continue watching because I like racing, I hope they don't confuse me watching as I support such nonsense though.

[klemmabyna]

Most of the "buzz" was chatter about how absurd the format was.

4m buzz when announced:

http://www.4m.net/showthread.php?411395-Lucas

sorry about continuing to hijack this thread.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

4m buzz when announced:

http://www.4m.net/showthread.php?411395-Lucas

sorry about continuing to hijack this thread.

There was more support for it back then, than I expected. The week leading up to the race, all I read anywhere was that Thornton was the champ, no matter what happened, because it was absurd he could lose it

[ftfiowa]

2024 WoO roster confirmed:

1. 32 pierce
2. b5 sheppard
3. 3s/8 shirley
4. 40 bronson
5. 19r gustin
6. 9 hoffman
7. 30 cooney
8. 22 mclaughlin
9. 6jr martin
10. 20tc chamberlain
11. 14w walker
12. 97 dillard
13. 19 sorensen
14. ? overton