490 cubic inch * Dirt Tracker

[0cents]

Brownstown Indiana was once one of the 5 best weekly late models fields in America, but they have a field full of ex super guys in crates. Illinois has it as good as it gets these days, but a lot of the cars at a weekly show are arguably not that super, from what I've seen.

I can't help but to get a laugh from this comment, Usually you are commenting implying supers are too super now days, but here you're saying weekly supers aren't super enough. Sounds like you found a place you can go and race since the ones in that area aren't that super.

[Jim11h]

Crates are a joke and wasted class!!! The whole 602/604 craze is stupidity. I can build fr better wiyh same money as Crate costs and have way more fun in stocks, limiteds, econo mod, or even a steel block type car. Only one loving crate is couple getting rich series and GM

[Henry Every]

I can't help but to get a laugh from this comment, Usually you are commenting implying supers are too super now days, but here you're saying weekly supers aren't super enough. Sounds like you found a place you can go and race since the ones in that area aren't that super.

I think what he is saying is, that due to the rise in cost to build a "Top Level" super late model, that many of the weekly cars in the super class are "now" not AS super as they once were. At least that is how I took it. (ie Limited lates running in super as field fillers)

Crates are a joke and wasted class!!! The whole 602/604 craze is stupidity. I can build fr better wiyh same money as Crate costs and have way more fun in stocks, limiteds, econo mod, or even a steel block type car. Only one loving crate is couple getting rich series and GM

I could not agree more with you. Mr Fastrak originally billled his series as "Blue Collar" and low budget, but he didn't get as much participation as he wanted and quickly shifted to GM sponsorship, bigger purses and courting super drivers to double dip. It quickly became a series for super guys to earn more money and those non-pro's got left behind real quick. Before crate nonsense Limited lates had nearly full fields every saturday night, then everybody moved to 604 and limited dwindled to a handful weekly. 602 are even worse, complete junk. Sadly average Joe actually believes making everybody run a 602 makes it more likely he'll win, but he still hasn't washed his car and keeps driving poorly, so it didn't help him at all, it just made everyone else stuck with junk.

[over4T]

Crates are a joke and wasted class!!! The whole 602/604 craze is stupidity. I can build fr better wiyh same money as Crate costs and have way more fun in stocks, limiteds, econo mod, or even a steel block type car. Only one loving crate is couple getting rich series and GM

I agree with Jim. I'm one of the guys who has built his own engines since I got into this rat race in the '60s. Had to learn how but, like most, I was a broke kid with no money and no backing. The price of a 604 is more than the most expensive thing I've ever built for myself and a helluva lot more fun, I guarantee.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I can't help but to get a laugh from this comment, Usually you are commenting implying supers are too super now days, but here you're saying weekly supers aren't super enough. Sounds like you found a place you can go and race since the ones in that area aren't that super.

You clearly don't understand anything I've posted. Super are too aero. They are also too spec.

Giving them tons of down force doesn't make them more super. Making the rulebook 100 pages definitely doesn't.

I'm referring to it the way a fan would. Guys filling the field with outdated bodies and limited engine or crate.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Adding a wing to a non wing sprint doesn't make it more "super". It makes it a different class where different things are more important for success and the racing is different.

I'm the one laughing. But I shouldn't be. People usually try and form an argument while or before reading someone's words.

[riddle28]

604 weekly is dying pretty quickly in the south. Very very rarely they get more than single digits. Turns out people dont want to spend $8000 on $3500 truck motor with no help if you hurt it, who would have thought? They had their place and GM has priced them right out of that place

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

604 weekly is dying pretty quickly in the south. Very very rarely they get more than single digits. Turns out people dont want to spend $8000 on $3500 truck motor with no help if you hurt it, who would have thought? They had their place and GM has priced them right out of that place

It doesn't help that they get bolted in a car where you could hold it wide open if you had 700 hp. The racing is terrible

[riddle28]

It doesn't help that they get bolted in a car where you could hold it wide open if you had 700 hp. The racing is terrible

100%, i tried 602 for a few races and between the wrecks and no tire slip, it was the least fun id ever had racing

[Henry Every]

100%, i tried 602 for a few races and between the wrecks and no tire slip, it was the least fun id ever had racing

Bingo to that.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

100%, i tried 602 for a few races and between the wrecks and no tire slip, it was the least fun id ever had racing

You have to make it steer well while holding it to the floor, be very aggressive, and not get wrecked.

[Stefan2k20]

I remember that engine, built by "EDGE" I think and was run in a "Lazer" chassis. I guess you can go too far, but I find a big block interesting. Jack Pennington use to run a BB Chevy at Cherokee back in the early 90's in his Walter Newman cars, ran good too, but I'm sure it wasn't 1100 HP, that's a lot to hook up. I can only imagine the torque numbers!!!

If I'm not mistaken Pennington set the track record with that motor and it stood until the track was reconfigured and shortened as it is today. Also at that time I believe Ed Basey was running a 570 or so they said.

[EvelB7]

The modern dirt late model engine is actually a purpose built piece, not really a 'small block' or 'big block'. Bore spacing, deck height, cam placement have all been moved around to produce these configurations and produce the power they have. Back in the day we had the 'Rocket' blocks that where capable of making over 460 cubic inch 'small blocks'. Quite a few of them at Cherokee back when it was big.

[Josh Bayko]

The modern dirt late model engine is actually a purpose built piece, not really a 'small block' or 'big block'. Bore spacing, deck height, cam placement have all been moved around to produce these configurations and produce the power they have. Back in the day we had the 'Rocket' blocks that where capable of making over 460 cubic inch 'small blocks'. Quite a few of them at Cherokee back when it was big.

Trophy trucks use the same custom blocks these days.

[One Man Wolf Pack]

Just go to the 410 ci limit that sprint cars use. Parts become cheaper cause everybody building the same thing. Eliminates all this experimentation and research on the huge monster motors.
While were at it take some aero away and loosen up the cars