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  • Snake X3
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2016
    • 1529

    #1

    Sandbaggers

    I don't know that Eldora wants to eliminate the sandbagging in qualifying, but if they do, they should spin a Wheel Of Misfortune after qualifying using numbers 1 to 6. I'm pretty sure that would kill any sandbagging. I realize that sandbagging hurts points, but for the better drivers, they'd rather not be at the top of the points anyway.
  • Highside Hustler25
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 12950

    #2
    Like JD was the 17th fastest in group b.🙄
    8/13/16

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    • Snake X3
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2016
      • 1529

      #3
      Originally posted by Highside Hustler25 View Post
      Like JD was the 17th fastest in group b.🙄
      I know. It's just ridiculous. And sandbagging qualifying also sets you up so you get a good spot in the heats on Saturday. I don't blame the drivers for trying to beat the system, but if you're going to try to force the faster guys to the back, you can't make it pretty easy to beat.

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      • 3 wide
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2016
        • 1133

        #4
        Start them straight up that will break them

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        • AJMcCool
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2024
          • 117

          #5
          Don’t they give points for qualifying? Shouldn’t that be incentive not to sandbag? Davenport wasn’t at the top of the points after yesterday……

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          • Snake X3
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2016
            • 1529

            #6
            Originally posted by AJMcCool View Post
            Don’t they give points for qualifying? Shouldn’t that be incentive not to sandbag? Davenport wasn’t at the top of the points after yesterday……
            Right. And if the points ended last night and they spin a 6 on the wheel, Davenport would have been starting on the pole of a heat race on Saturday. If he wins the feature tonight and they spin a 6, he'll likely start top 3 in a heat on Saturday.

            EDIT: I checked the points again just now and Davenport was 19th after Thursday, not 31st as I saw him listed earlier, so he would have started 3rd or 4th.
            Last edited by Snake X3; 09-05-2025, 10:26 PM. Reason: Correcting Thursday points

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            • AJMcCool
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2024
              • 117

              #7
              Originally posted by Snake X3 View Post

              Right. And if the points ended last night and they spin a 6 on the wheel, Davenport would have been starting on the pole of a heat race on Saturday. If he wins the feature tonight and they spin a 6, he'll likely start top 3 in a heat on Saturday.
              Well, it’s still better than starting straight up in my eyes lol

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              • Snake X3
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2016
                • 1529

                #8
                Originally posted by AJMcCool View Post

                Well, it’s still better than starting straight up in my eyes lol
                I'm not a fan of inverts because I think it's wrong to penalize performance, but this is how Earl wanted it alive or not, it's still his race. He made the rules, so anyone that doesn't like it can stay home. But if this is the system they use, I think they should make it harder for drivers to sandbag.

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                • cgrace
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2013
                  • 903

                  #9
                  Where are the points located at? I couldn't find them.
                  Originally posted by Snake X3 View Post

                  EDIT: I checked the points again just now and Davenport was 19th after Thursday, not 31st as I saw him listed earlier, so he would have started 3rd or 4th.

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                  • TBSprintFan
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2016
                    • 614

                    #10
                    Well if a driver like Davenport had the point system all figured out, why would he not of been in the top 18 in qualifying in Thursdays race. He started in the 4th row and won his heat by passing 7 cars in less than 12 laps. The guy has Eldora figured out better than any other driver ever has (sorry Bloomquist and Moyer fans).

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                    • Snake X3
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2016
                      • 1529

                      #11
                      Originally posted by cgrace View Post
                      Where are the points located at? I couldn't find them.

                      2025 World 100 – Night #2 – Eldora Speedway

                      The heat race lineups are already posted too using the same link. Heat race #1 looks brutal.

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                      • Snake X3
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2016
                        • 1529

                        #12
                        Originally posted by TBSprintFan View Post
                        Well if a driver like Davenport had the point system all figured out, why would he not of been in the top 18 in qualifying in Thursdays race. He started in the 4th row and won his heat by passing 7 cars in less than 12 laps. The guy has Eldora figured out better than any other driver ever has (sorry Bloomquist and Moyer fans).
                        He missed the invert on night 1 by a couple of positions. And for sure he has the system figured out. I think there is a risk/reward situation in play. If you miss the qualifying invert by a bit, you start 7th or 8th, which is still starting out as a transfer to the Shootout. If you hit it, you start first and your points are lower to set the heats for Saturday. I think he managed it well. I hate to see anyone sandbag qualifying, but the rules are the rules. And like I said, if you do a Wheel of Misfortune after qualifying, then people can't sandbag since they won't know where the invert is.

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                        • bleedblue55
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2012
                          • 1873

                          #13
                          I remember when Donnie Moran was considered the king of sandbagging at Eldora.

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                          • chathamracefan
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2007
                            • 1061

                            #14
                            Another option would be to still do the invert but lineup the feature transfers based on combined qual and heat points. Knoxville sprint nationals does that. They invert like 8 in the heats so if a guy wins heat from pole he will start pretty deep in feature field cause his poor qualy time buries him a bit. That helps to prevent the sandbagging on prelim nights.

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                            • jog49
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2007
                              • 2551

                              #15
                              I'm not sure it makes any difference where Davenport starts the race. If he doesn't pop a tire, get in a wreck, or wear out his tireds....look out!

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