CT 525 Late models. Where do they belong?

[fastford]

2600 pds is not only crazy it is dangerous. You never hear the open motors cry when the track is hammerdown but let it get slick enough for a small motor to win and the world has came to an end. For slm to survive the promotors better give enough to the 525 motors to make them very competitive.

yea , lets all kiss gms azz and help them sell engines, I hear there about broke again any way, and by the way east Alabama has had a limited class with 2600 min for years, I guess they like living dangerously , but you missed my point , let the crates race crates, if the supers and limited fall to the wayside, then so be it but I would bet the crates go first..

[Skinny64]

I also forgot to mention that once the 525 was entered into the steel head class they started qualifying to set the field for the feature. Now they are up front before the feature even starts. You guys have some good input on this. I just don't understand some of the post that say you could easily afford a 525 if you run steel head now? If a guy has been loyal to his track year after year running steel head how is it that you think they can just pull out a $10,000 motor and sit it on the ground to go buy a $9,000 525 to please the track and be competitive? I just think it's a stupid idea.

[Drop Shock]

Zack Dohm's wearing most of the super late guys in the Ohio Valley out with his. Even on a hammer down track if the straightaways are short enough. Put them in there own class? That would be good way to kill them off. The appeal of these motors is that there are no freshen up costs, and they are an advantage when the track slows down. Really don't know why more people aren't getting these motors.

[Drop Shock]

yea , lets all kiss gms azz and help them sell engines, I hear there about broke again any way, and by the way east Alabama has had a limited class with 2600 min for years, I guess they like living dangerously , but you missed my point , let the crates race crates, if the supers and limited fall to the wayside, then so be it but I would bet the crates go first..

What is the harm in letting a 604 run with a limited and a 525 run with an open motor? Do you scold people who save money at the grocery store too?

[Skinny64]

Correct Drop Shock.... but key word in your post was Super late. Not Steel Head.... 525 belongs in a Super class. imo....

[GRT32]

The 525s run with the steel heads around here and win very few races

[poolcuemaster]

They have never even been close to the steel head limited's here in the carolinas and the fuel series 525's is a 1 and done for my racing group. Went to the first one at Carolina speedway last year and it was my last one follow the leader no passing. Spend my money on limiteds or supers.--Leonard

[fastford]

What is the harm in letting a 604 run with a limited and a 525 run with an open motor? Do you scold people who save money at the grocery store too?

not a thing, as long as no one gets any special privileges, if your gone enter your crate engine in a class other than your class , then you should abide by the same rules as every one else in that class, no special breaks, and if you don't like it STAY IN A CRATE CLASS..

[25drtrkr]

2 questions: 1) How much hp does a fresh 525 make?, 2) In your area, how much hp does a steel block? In my area, a steel block, flat tappet, 23' heads, wet sump, makes about 600. That would be a top of the line costing around $25k.

[fastford]

I think 25k is a little extreme, I can make 550 for under 8k , which is probably comparable to the 525 hp wise , the problem is my engine weighs 150lbs or more than the 525, if you don't think that's a huge advantage in the slick, then we don't need to discuss any farther..

[25drtrkr]

I think 25k is a little extreme, I can make 550 for under 8k , which is probably comparable to the 525 hp wise , the problem is my engine weighs 150lbs or more than the 525, if you don't think that's a huge advantage in the slick, then we don't need to discuss any farther..

The well funded teams around here are spending that (from certain engine builders in Ky). Also, they are using the Brodix alum spec head.

[fastford]

here its all steel, now my spec head engine with roller is making over 600, but it has to run super, and has to pull 50lbs more than the 525, still 75lbs more up front though and that's fine, but there's no way a regular basis, an all steel can compete with an all aluminum when hp is equal. if you took bloomquist,s all aluminum out and put in an all steel macking the same hp, you can bet, he wouldn't be in the race.

[25drtrkr]

here its all steel, now my spec head engine with roller is making over 600, but it has to run super, and has to pull 50lbs more than the 525, still 75lbs more up front though and that's fine, but there's no way a regular basis, an all steel can compete with an all aluminum when hp is equal. if you took bloomquist,s all aluminum out and put in an all steel macking the same hp, you can bet, he wouldn't be in the race.

Schlieper ran awfully well several years ago at East Bay with an all steel motor. If my memory is correct, Lucas changed the weight rule the next year.

[fastford]

yea, seems like I remember that, which on a tacky , hooked up track, it very possible, but in the slick with the shocks and suspension we have today, weight and weight placement means a lot more than it use to.

[slmcrewchief99]

If I remember right this SAME kind of question was asked a month or so back. Still going to get the same answers. Crate cars are gonna whine that they can't keep up with a super. Well guess what. That's why they are a "limited" late model. If you want to run your 525 with us supers then so be it. Happens quite often around here. Even have a few 604's tag the back too. Just quit whining that you can't keep up and want special privilages. YOU are asking to run with us remember. We aren't dropping back a class to run with 525's. If you don't think that big spoiler and a weight break gives an advantage, then you need to stick to bowling. If you want to step up and play, then play.