Also, a lot of people keep mentioning Tony Stewart's past antics. Kevin Ward had been warned by the sanction about getting out of his car on the track a month prior to the incident. How come nobody ever brings that up?
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If the Wards want to save face, they will donate the proceeds of the upcoming settlement to charity.
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I think what CIRF is trying to say is a civil suit is not the same as a criminal case and a civil suit they do not have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. They only need to prove he is liable which is much easier.
And with Tony past history I can see a jury reaching a guilty verdict but, I can also see with Kevin's testing positive for drugs and leaving his race car when told not too a jury reaching a not guilty verdict. This could go either way in my opinion
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Denial josh........just plain old denial is why.Originally posted by Josh Bayko View PostAlso, a lot of people keep mentioning Tony Stewart's past antics. Kevin Ward had been warned by the sanction about getting out of his car on the track a month prior to the incident. How come nobody ever brings that up?Last edited by Okfine; 08-09-2015, 03:38 PM.EVERYBODY HAS A GAME PLAN, UNTIL THEY GET PUNCHED IN THE FACE.......M.T
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Hopefully despite strong bias from a faithful fan base and being a famous national driver will not be an influence in the court's decision. But I doubt it. There is more than one "WRONG" in this incident. There is more to it than trying to pin drug usage and getting out of the car at a bad time as being the total fault in this tragic incident. One driver felt that he got pinched off in the turn, whether it was just racing or not, they were angered. Gunning the race car when nearing the driver must not be overlooked. Many drivers have gotten out of their cars at a time of anger or emergency.
Trying to pin ALL the blame on the deceased driver is not a fair conclusion.
A large settlement out of court is the most likely decision and if so then all we can hope for is that this was the best justice. But there is only one person who knows the most about this tragedy and if it was just that, then may the conscience be cleared so that person can get past this.
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Originally posted by Clayton_Wetter View PostHopefully despite strong bias from a faithful fan base and being a famous national driver will not be an influence in the court's decision. But I doubt it. There is more than one "WRONG" in this incident. There is more to it than trying to pin drug usage and getting out of the car at a bad time as being the total fault in this tragic incident. One driver felt that he got pinched off in the turn, whether it was just racing or not, they were angered. Gunning the race car when nearing the driver must not be overlooked. Many drivers have gotten out of their cars at a time of anger or emergency.
Trying to pin ALL the blame on the deceased driver is not a fair conclusion.
A large settlement out of court is the most likely decision and if so then all we can hope for is that this was the best justice. But there is only one person who knows the most about this tragedy and if it was just that, then may the conscience be cleared so that person can get past this.
Simple question if he stays in the car, is he still alive today?
I'll do you one better, if he just pulls a Stapleton and goes halfway and throws something, he still alive today?
It's a cash grab.......
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I really don't subscribe to the getting justice in this...........rarely if ever is justice a remedy for stupiity and anger.Originally posted by Clayton_Wetter View PostHopefully despite strong bias from a faithful fan base and being a famous national driver will not be an influence in the court's decision. But I doubt it. There is more than one "WRONG" in this incident. There is more to it than trying to pin drug usage and getting out of the car at a bad time as being the total fault in this tragic incident. One driver felt that he got pinched off in the turn, whether it was just racing or not, they were angered. Gunning the race car when nearing the driver must not be overlooked. Many drivers have gotten out of their cars at a time of anger or emergency.
Trying to pin ALL the blame on the deceased driver is not a fair conclusion.
A large settlement out of court is the most likely decision and if so then all we can hope for is that this was the best justice. But there is only one person who knows the most about this tragedy and if it was just that, then may the conscience be cleared so that person can get past this.
Racing is dangerous........especially if your out there racing on foot and running towards moving race cars.
I have sympathy for the loss of a child, I have zero sympathy for the loss of morals.
Blood money...........shameful.EVERYBODY HAS A GAME PLAN, UNTIL THEY GET PUNCHED IN THE FACE.......M.T
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The reality of his whole deal is the people with the strongest opinions are basing their entire argument on a crappy YouTube video shot from across the track with a retard saying "Tony Stewart hit that guy".Originally posted by Okfine View PostDenial josh........just plain all denial is why.
The kid that shot that video and ran home to post it on YouTube is no longer welcome at the race tracks around that way, for good reason.
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Any good attorney will tell you that a jury is somewhat of a crapshoot based on the emotion aspect.....Originally posted by Dante Toledo, OH View PostDo you think a jury will miss the facts? 1. Stewart had zero reason to be upset or mad at that kid. 2. That kid got out of his car while race cars were still moving. 3. That kid went toward a moving race car on foot ( he was the aggressor) 4. Its hard to see out of the right side of a sprint car with a wing on it. 5. The kid was wearing a black drivers suit in the dark. 6. He had drugs in his system. 7. The only thing Stewart is guilty of is being in the car that some jack a$$ decided to run at and try to grab. 8. Stewart can afford really good lawyers. This is a disgrace that his family continues with this bs. This is 100% the fault of Kevin Ward. Stay in your car = still alive.
Very easy to paint the " mean ole angry RICH nascar guy ran over my completely innocent son" picture to a jury.EVERYBODY HAS A GAME PLAN, UNTIL THEY GET PUNCHED IN THE FACE.......M.T
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Well that kind of sucks.......people post you tube videos of unflattering racetrack incidents all the time.Originally posted by Josh Bayko View PostThe reality of his whole deal is the people with the strongest opinions are basing their entire argument on a crappy YouTube video shot from across the track with a retard saying "Tony Stewart hit that guy".
The kid that shot that video and ran home to post it on YouTube is no longer welcome at the race tracks around that way, for good reason.
What is the good reason other than to passively censor what gets posted???? Kinda crappy, but don't know the circumstances of the guys bannishment.EVERYBODY HAS A GAME PLAN, UNTIL THEY GET PUNCHED IN THE FACE.......M.T
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And I'll go you one better and repeat. Many drivers have gotten out of their cars for whatever reasons. That includes Tony, right? And can you take a guess at how many times? And how many helmets and steering wheels have been thrown also?Originally posted by B_K View PostSimple question if he stays in the car, is he still alive today?
I'll do you one better, if he just pulls a Stapleton and goes halfway and throws something, he still alive today?
It's a cash grab.......
It's just a cash grab? Would you honestly say that, if you could be morally held responsible for saying it?Last edited by Clayton_Wetter; 08-09-2015, 04:25 PM.
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99.99% of those videos don't raise the national sh*tstorm that this particular video did. The area had an awful lot of unwanted attention because of him. And it's not an official ban, per se, it's a situation where he made some people very angry, from both sides.Originally posted by Okfine View PostWell that kind of sucks.......people post you tube videos of unflattering racetrack incidents all the time.
What is the good reason other than to passively censor what gets posted???? Kinda crappy, but don't know the circumstances of the guys bannishment.
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I do understand what you're saying, but Stewart will have Lawyers too. I also don't believe Tony throwing a fit at Bristol or throwing a helmet at Richmond or yelling at a reporter at Daytona has a single effin thing to do with the death of Kevin Ward. And whether it's a driver with 50 million in the bank or a driver that got his cable shut off to pay a tire bill. Also nothing to do with the facts of the case. Every reason that kid is dead is the fault of the dead kid period.Originally posted by Okfine View PostAny good attorney will tell you that a jury is somewhat of a crapshoot based on the emotion aspect.....Very easy to paint the " mean ole angry RICH nascar guy ran over my completely innocent son" picture to a jury.Go Buckeyes!!!
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Many people abuse drugs, or street race cars, sometimes with tragic consequences. When you make terrible decisions there's consequences. The others were just as dumb as Ward, they just lived to tell about it.Originally posted by Clayton_Wetter View PostAnd I'll go you one better and repeat. Many drivers have gotten out of their cars for whatever reasons. That includes Tony, right? And can you take a guess at how many times? And how many helmets and steering wheels have been thrown also?
It's just a cash grab? Would you honestly say that, if you could be morally held responsible for saying it?
I have no problem standing behind that opinion morally or otherwise.Last edited by B_K; 08-09-2015, 06:40 PM.
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