5 wins in 6 races for Richards

[W2Racing09]

You are an idiot. I would think someone close to a company like Longhorn would have more class especially with the Labontes owning it.

Agreed,

To call WoO JV is ignorant at best. I can cite several (SEVERAL) times over the past few years when the WoO drivers won big events over the Lucas and WoO drivers.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[onlyfacts]

Agreed, To call WoO JV is ignorant at best. I can cite several (SEVERAL) times over the past few years when the WoO drivers won big events over the Lucas and WoO drivers. Thanks, Jeff.

When someone works for a company discredits others it reflects on that company.

[Okfine]

When someone works for a company discredits others it reflects on that company.

Agreed........

[Okfine]

You are an idiot. I would think someone close to a company like Longhorn would have more class especially with the Labontes owning it.

So your saying that I work with longhorn?????

And I'm the idiot????

I see that your screen name isnt exactly chocked full of words that you live by.

[Okfine]

Agreed,

To call WoO JV is ignorant at best. I can cite several (SEVERAL) times over the past few years when the WoO drivers won big events over the Lucas and WoO drivers.

Thanks,
Jeff.

Jeff, I think we just went through this excersise...........top 10 versus top 10.........and even the diehard woo/Richards fan that you are came up with a very generous 7 to 3 route for the Lucas series over the woo series.

JV might come across harsh to some, but in reality it's what most people think.........woo is now the undercard in the latemodel series wars and they have done it to themselves.

If you really want to see a route and just how much further advanced in talent the Lucas series is.....do a top 15 versus a top 15, if you can even find 15 woo dedicated drivers.

After clanton, Richards......with an outside respectful nod to lanigan, who ya got?

Got some waiting in the wings with Overton, fergy maybe and a few other youngsters making some noise that may jump in and level the playing field, but for now the terms junior varsity and varsity aren't really that far off when describing the depth of talent between the two series.

And even though you will NEVER publicly come out and agree, it's ok to actually look at the records,drivers and series and internally admit that my description isn't that far off.

[Josh Bayko]

Jeff, I think we just went through this excersise...........top 10 versus top 10.........and even the diehard woo/Richards fan that you are came up with a very generous 7 to 3 route for the Lucas series over the woo series.

JV might come across harsh to some, but in reality it's what most people think.........woo is now the undercard in the latemodel series wars and they have done it to themselves.

If you really want to see a route and just how much further advanced in talent the Lucas series is.....do a top 15 versus a top 15, if you can even find 15 woo dedicated drivers.

After clanton, Richards......with an outside respectful nod to lanigan, who ya got?

Got some waiting in the wings with Overton, fergy maybe and a few other youngsters making some noise that may jump in and level the playing field, but for now the terms junior varsity and varsity aren't really that far off when describing the depth of talent between the two series.

And even though you will NEVER publicly come out and agree, it's ok to actually look at the records,drivers and series and internally admit that my description isn't that far off.

This year, Lucas is better. Other years, WoO has been better. In the future, it'll continue to be this way. The balance of late model power will switch back and forth. It's the cyclical nature of racing. I think some people that are fans of one series or the other have a hard time admitting their series is on the low end when it is, in fact, on the low end.

[Okfine]

Agreed,

To call WoO JV is ignorant at best. I can cite several (SEVERAL) times over the past few years when the WoO drivers won big events over the Lucas and WoO drivers.

Thanks,
Jeff.

And your right, there are several times your scenario has happened, But since you mentioned it......start citing.

But to be fair and completely unbiased..........list all the big races run over the last 3 years where both series were represented in a big race, list the top 5 in each of those races, count the number of Lucas guys in the top 5 versus the woo guys in the top 5 of each of those races....add them up.....report your findings to everyone.

I know the answer, so you really don't need to copy me on it.

[Okfine]

This year, Lucas is better. Other years, WoO has been better. In the future, it'll continue to be this way. The balance of late model power will switch back and forth. It's the cyclical nature of racing. I think some people that are fans of one series or the other have a hard time admitting their series is on the low end when it is, in fact, on the low end.

Very polite way of saying that some people " can't handle the truth"......

Your post is spot on and like almost anything it's cyclical, but unbeknownst to the avid woo bears, that series is and has been on the low end of that cycle for several years now.

With the current leadership and direction , I don't really see that trend reversing itself anytime soon.

[D. Tidrow]

Very polite way of saying that some people " can't handle the truth"......Your post is spot on and like almost anything it's cyclical, but unbeknownst to the avid woo bears, that series is and has been on the low end of that cycle for several years now.With the current leadership and direction , I don't really see that trend reversing itself anytime soon.

All I can say is Okfine, is I agree with about 99% with what you say but your quote at the bottom says it all. Keep it going fine sir, that is all.

[Okfine]

About the only thing I ever heard Mike Tyson say that amounted to much.............

[Josh Bayko]

With the current leadership and direction , I don't really see that trend reversing itself anytime soon.

Hard to say, really. Let's say the whole Rumley/Rocket thing for 2016 and beyond is true. That would almost assuredly move Davenport over to the WoO. That significantly changes the power, because suddenly, you'd have the three biggest national touring winners on the same tour. And Bloomer is notorious for jumping off tours when it suits him (I could see this weekend being one of those instances), let's say he decides to go back to being a true outlaw racer.

Would a tour headlined by Owens, Carrier, Sheppard and Pearson be better than a tour headlined by Davenport, Richards, Clanton and Lanigan?

Nope.

[Okfine]

Hard to say, really. Let's say the whole Rumley/Rocket thing for 2016 and beyond is true. That would almost assuredly move Davenport over to the WoO. That significantly changes the power, because suddenly, you'd have the three biggest national touring winners on the same tour. And Bloomer is notorious for jumping off tours when it suits him (I could see this weekend being one of those instances), let's say he decides to go back to being a true outlaw racer.

Is a tour headlined by Owens, Carrier, Sheppard and Pearson better than a tour headlined by Davenport, Richards, Clanton and Lanigan?

Nope.

Exactly why I love reading and interacting with your posts.......thought out, factual, insightful and completely ( un) rose colored.
We don't always agree, but on this .......we do.

And if it all works out like you say and it does happen exactly like that then woo can no longer be thought of as JV.........but until then, they can barely hold the Lucas jock straps.

[Josh Bayko]

Exactly why I love reading and interacting with your posts.......thought out, factual, insightful and completely ( un) rose colored.
We don't always agree, but on this .......we do.

And if it all works out like you say and it does happen exactly like that then woo can no longer be thought of as JV.........but until then, they can barely hold the Lucas jock straps.

Would you feel the same if a WoO driver won Knoxville and the DTWC?

In reality, I think both series are very necessary, though. More drivers making more money is never a bad thing.

[W2Racing09]

Jeff, I think we just went through this excersise...........top 10 versus top 10.........and even the diehard woo/Richards fan that you are came up with a very generous 7 to 3 route for the Lucas series over the woo series.

JV might come across harsh to some, but in reality it's what most people think.........woo is now the undercard in the latemodel series wars and they have done it to themselves.

If you really want to see a route and just how much further advanced in talent the Lucas series is.....do a top 15 versus a top 15, if you can even find 15 woo dedicated drivers.

After clanton, Richards......with an outside respectful nod to lanigan, who ya got?

Got some waiting in the wings with Overton, fergy maybe and a few other youngsters making some noise that may jump in and level the playing field, but for now the terms junior varsity and varsity aren't really that far off when describing the depth of talent between the two series.

And even though you will NEVER publicly come out and agree, it's ok to actually look at the records,drivers and series and internally admit that my description isn't that far off.

I think a top 15 would be kind of pointless, considering drivers such as Billy Moyer, Bobby Piece and Chris Simpson are listed in the top 15 for the Lucas Series. To my knowledge they have just 11 drivers running the full series with Moran having called it quits. By the same token the WoO only has 12 full timers. The top 10 was a good comparison, and keep in mind that top 10 comparison is probably a little bit different if you were to include Lanigan who ran the full tour and dropped off recently but has still missed just 6 events.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[W2Racing09]

Very polite way of saying that some people " can't handle the truth"......

Your post is spot on and like almost anything it's cyclical, but unbeknownst to the avid woo bears, that series is and has been on the low end of that cycle for several years now.

With the current leadership and direction , I don't really see that trend reversing itself anytime soon.

Obviously the WoO is not the top tour in the land, but the difference is much smaller than that of V to JV. If the Lucas Series is a competition level of 100, then the WoO is 85 as it is right now. They are very close and as Josh illustrated, things can change in the blink of an eye.

Thanks,
Jeff.