Matt Kenseth

[WisWildManFan]

I'm curious as to what constitutes a "real man"?

Someone that speaks there mind, isn't a cooperate puppet 24/7, has thrown a punch once in their life, not had everything handed to them on a silver platter, and it doesn't hurt to be either over 180lbs or taller than 5 foot 6. Just seems nascar is so worried about sponsorship dollars they have to have these rich kids that can bring a bag of $ with them... So basically u end up with a bunch of spoiled punks in the series. Just saw on race hub they asked Kyle Larson why he chose the ride with chip when all the teams must of wanted him and his response was chip was the only guy who didn't want a bunch of money from him. Larson has to be one of the most accomplished resumes to come around since Gordon or Stewart. If that kid can barely get a ride with a team without money we will continue to see rich spoiled kids that have never earned there way to nascar other than there checkbook. Guess I'm just sick of the rich geeks who have had their parents buy there way into nascar. If you look at DLM or sprint car drivers I guess I can just relate more to them. At least bloomer, JD, Oneal, schatz, lasoski, terry McCarl look like they could physically defend themselves if need be... Nascar stars not so much.

[CIRF]

Someone that speaks there mind, isn't a cooperate puppet 24/7, has thrown a punch once in their life, not had everything handed to them on a silver platter, and it doesn't hurt to be either over 180lbs or taller than 5 foot 6. Just seems nascar is so worried about sponsorship dollars they have to have these rich kids that can bring a bag of $ with them... So basically u end up with a bunch of spoiled punks in the series. Just saw on race hub they asked Kyle Larson why he chose the ride with chip when all the teams must of wanted him and his response was chip was the only guy who didn't want a bunch of money from him. Larson has to be one of the most accomplished resumes to come around since Gordon or Stewart. If that kid can barely get a ride with a team without money we will continue to see rich spoiled kids that have never earned there way to nascar other than there checkbook. Guess I'm just sick of the rich geeks who have had their parents buy there way into nascar. If you look at DLM or sprint car drivers I guess I can just relate more to them. At least bloomer, JD, Oneal, schatz, lasoski, terry McCarl look like they could physically defend themselves if need be... Nascar stars not so much.

Okay, fair enough. Your definition is clear.

So, by definition Richard Petty, Terry & Bobby Labonte, Mark Martin (and there are many others) are examples of guys that were never over the top or prone to wanting to fight but yet universally respected.

Richard Petty always has been composed and was mindful of being disrespectful towards everyone, even Danica when he summed up his feelings on her driving talent. The King is reportedly never been in a physical altercation, same way with Terry and Bobby Labonte and Mark Martin, just to name a few. They were all respectful in what they said publicly and not inclined to brawling. Were they not "real men"?

[WisWildManFan]

If anyone of the 4 guys u mentioned were wrecked by a guy 10 laps down while leading a race I have a hard time believing that all 4 of them wouldn't try to confront that driver. Even if they didn't want to fight they would have enough balls to try to go say something. Mark said this on twitter today "What's wrong with a good old fashioned ass whipping? I always felt like if I had one coming that was a better option than tearing up cars". The problem is how soft the new generation has become as a whole. Whether it's not keeping score of little leauge games, participation trophies, suiting your kid up like he's going off to war to ride his bike, or anti-bullying campaigns. Life can be tough and trying to bubble wrap kids physically and emotionally is crippling this country. Nascar is a glitch in the system where u can outspend other people and make ur bubble boy a superstar. You don't have that luxury in any other sport. At least drivers from the 80s probably had to work their way up way more than today so those guys would be more of men then what we have today. Harvicks punch to Jimmie Johnson's arm is another good example... Why would u even bother. Either push him, punch him, or yell at him but punching someone in the arm seems about pointless. Just used to really enjoy watching nascar growing up but the personalities, tracks, technology of cars has really turned me off.

[bullring]

Okay, fair enough. Your definition is clear.

So, by definition Richard Petty, Terry & Bobby Labonte, Mark Martin (and there are many others) are examples of guys that were never over the top or prone to wanting to fight but yet universally respected.

Richard Petty always has been composed and was mindful of being disrespectful towards everyone, even Danica when he summed up his feelings on her driving talent. The King is reportedly never been in a physical altercation, same way with Terry and Bobby Labonte and Mark Martin, just to name a few. They were all respectful in what they said publicly and not inclined to brawling. Were they not "real men"?

You might want to check into the Labonte's short track racing history in Texas. Scuffles weren't uncommon at all.

Maybe the best way to resolve these issues would be rock, paper, scissors. First one to 21 wins. Of course, make sure they wear gloves so they don't hurt their hands.

[dirtsforracin]

Yes, Denny Hamlin gave a great interview on the subject of "The Code". Wonder in Nascar will summon Denny to the Nascar hauler a.k. Principals Office?

Looks like I'm now a Ricky Craven fan...

[CIRF]

If anyone of the 4 guys u mentioned were wrecked by a guy 10 laps down while leading a race I have a hard time believing that all 4 of them wouldn't try to confront that driver. Even if they didn't want to fight they would have enough balls to try to go say something. Mark said this on twitter today "What's wrong with a good old fashioned ass whipping? I always felt like if I had one coming that was a better option than tearing up cars". The problem is how soft the new generation has become as a whole. Whether it's not keeping score of little leauge games, participation trophies, suiting your kid up like he's going off to war to ride his bike, or anti-bullying campaigns. Life can be tough and trying to bubble wrap kids physically and emotionally is crippling this country. Nascar is a glitch in the system where u can outspend other people and make ur bubble boy a superstar. You don't have that luxury in any other sport. At least drivers from the 80s probably had to work their way up way more than today so those guys would be more of men then what we have today. Harvicks punch to Jimmie Johnson's arm is another good example... Why would u even bother. Either push him, punch him, or yell at him but punching someone in the arm seems about pointless. Just used to really enjoy watching nascar growing up but the personalities, tracks, technology of cars has really turned me off.

Well, what you say about the aforementioned drivers is going to be real hard to prove. We can assume all we want to solidify whatever point we're trying to make.

Number 1, the aforementioned drivers probably wouldn't have done to Kenseth what Logano did at Kansas and Talladega. Those guys would probably found a way to pass Kenseth clean. I can't prove that statement anymore that you can prove what you say but their record over their whole career would clearly indicate I'm correct. The King, the Labonte's and Martin, et al, raced folks nearly exactly as they wanted to be raced and wouldn't have had someone head hunting them in the first place. That's where the class and dignity comes in, and it worked very well for all of them throughout their careers, especially The King.

Oh, and by the way, The King and Bobby Allison had some of the nastiest on track dust up's in the history of the sport.

Number 2, the respect those drivers commanded, almost from the very beginning of their career's, was such that it would severely damage the career of someone who would go all punk on them. Just for an example arnhead was once asked how it felt to be booed by 100,000 people after the cheap shot at Bristol.

You might want to check into the Labonte's short track racing history in Texas. Scuffles weren't uncommon at all.

Maybe the best way to resolve these issues would be rock, paper, scissors. First one to 21 wins. Of course, make sure they wear gloves so they don't hurt their hands.

bullring, can you come up with any documentation of the brawling in Texas by the Labonte's? I'd be interested in seeing that. I was a fan of both Terry & Bobby and never heard a smidgen of fisticuffs being part of their repertoire. Those guys always seemed to remain above all that stuff both the way they drove against people and their overall demeanor. Not disputing what you're saying just interested to see some specifics.

[jog49]

NASCAR's Golden Rule: Do unto Kenseth as you have never done to other drivers this year (or for several years now that I think about it)!

[ride height]

If they would just let the "playground justice" take over like back in the day, youd pack the stands and have less whining. This is what happens when " corporate politically correct" people run the show. It would also make these spoiled brats think twice about pulling any $hit because they will know playground justice is probably going to mash the front end of car clean to the firewall in the near future if they do.

[drano]

If they would just let the "playground justice" take over like back in the day, youd pack the stands and have less whining. This is what happens when " corporate politically correct" people run the show. It would also make these spoiled brats think twice about pulling any $hit because they will know playground justice is probably going to mash the front end of car clean to the firewall in the near future if they do.

They could do that if not for TV coverage you know how PC the liberal news is they would have a field day with the old school justice.

[tsand]

Worked for several Busch teams in the late 80s ,early 90s while Bobby labonte might not have done any fighting the old man Bob sure warmed up a few heads. Back then there were at least 1 or 2 fights every night back then everybody didn't have a way to record everything and no social media to spread everything.

[ride height]

Nascar is past the point of no return. Its too " sterile" and run by corporations including TV. the stands are empty. Its not fun to watch. It just isnt. It used to be, but you couldnt pay me to attend a race now much less pay to do it. I dont think im in the minority here am I? I dont want to see ANYBODY get hurt, but for petes sake...its RACING, not a card game. At least for now DLM is still pretty "down home" where playground justice still exists and they dont change rules by the hour to make parity. Enjoy it while you can. I tell ya this if you have a local track and you like to go, you better get your butt to the races and bring a buddy or a kid and introduce them to it or we arent going to have that long either. The whole thing is sad really. Nascar? Its in big trouble. They had the sports world by the nuts 10 15 yrs ago, but they managed to pi$$ it all away.

[drano]

I used to go to a lot of races now I am offered free tickets to both Charlotte races every year and I turn them down I would much rather go to a local dirt race anytime.

[Nasty55]

I wonder If Penske is mad as well Lmao......

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

i wonder if penske is mad as well lmao......

lmao thats a good one nasty!!!

[Nasty55]

lmao thats a good one nasty!!!

Lol I came across this and thought I'd post it lol