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  • hucktyson
    Banned
    • May 2007
    • 1903

    #31
    The better you are able to hook the cars up the more HP you can put to the ground ..... This is harder on motors and requires that people have the latest and greatest to stay up front .... If the car can't put the power down you won't need all of the HP. You guys are sooooo cumm drunk on your hatred for Bloomquist that you act like a rule
    Effecting 1 car is going to change the universe. The absurd reactions to this make it seem like they mandated 604 crates only for Lucas races ...

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    • CarolinaDirt
      Senior Member
      • May 2007
      • 1372

      #32
      The bigger problem no one is talking about in section A under suspension . Any new chassis design or components created to alter the suspension must be submitted to Lucas for approval before they will be allowed to use it in an event

      Do people learn nothing from the Iroc series or what Nascar is doing now . They have essentially eliminated all forms of creativity .

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      • MasterSbilt_Racer
        Senior Member
        • May 2007
        • 14320

        #33
        Originally posted by jrkracing54 View Post
        WOO already outlawed spring rods for the 2015 season. I highly doubt they will stand alone on this issue. Christman already said he was waiting on Lucas to make a decision so that they might follow suit. John 1*
        I have heard this. But also heard they were on cars at Charlotte?
        Modern Day Spec Wedge Racing

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        • powerslide
          Senior Member
          • May 2007
          • 2696

          #34
          Originally posted by billetbirdcage View Post
          least Kevin is having some fun with the whole deal
          God that really does look like they pulled some crap from the junk pile and threw it on.

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          • zeroracing
            Senior Member
            • May 2007
            • 1014

            #35
            I noticed that too carolinadirt, so will they sign a non disclosure or are they going to publish all new approved parts and drawings? One has to have their intellectual property rights or they should put all info in the public domain. It is not clear.

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            • chupp n bloomer fan
              Senior Member
              • May 2007
              • 11526

              #36
              WoO is going to capitalize lol

              WoO will follow suit. They were waiting to see what Lucas did. They put out a rule screwing Darth Vader and y'all are good with it, applauding it. Put out one affecting Luke Skywalker, and the universe is coming to an end.

              I'm guessing we shoulda let them continue as they were, to where anyone wanting to win, better hirer engineers. Then y'all can b!tch when there's a max of ten cars out there, hugging the bottom, glued to the track.

              Should they mandate everything, no, but leaving the rules open leaves room for exploiting. Kevin wanted an updated rule book, here she is.
              Up in the air who my next “favorite” driver is. Really losing hope on Bloomer getting anywhere back to “normal”.

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              • MasterSbilt_Racer
                Senior Member
                • May 2007
                • 14320

                #37
                Originally posted by chupp n bloomer fan View Post
                WoO will follow suit. They were waiting to see what Lucas did. They put out a rule screwing Darth Vader and y'all are good with it, applauding it. Put out one affecting Luke Skywalker, and the universe is coming to an end.

                I'm guessing we shoulda let them continue as they were, to where anyone wanting to win, better hirer engineers. Then y'all can b!tch when there's a max of ten cars out there, hugging the bottom, glued to the track.

                Should they mandate everything, no, but leaving the rules open leaves room for exploiting. Kevin wanted an updated rule book, here she is.
                You don't get it. Bloomer had an expensive part. Rumley worked in the way new innovations have always come about in DLM. Simple parts used in a clever way.

                You can't unlearn things. Rumley has now learned and will find another way. The rules will handicap those who were already behind.

                We have already reached the test and test with data acquisition phase. The more the rules limit, the more optimizing what you have gains importance. The more that testing, that the average guy cannot do, becomes important. Rumley probably could have done something extremely expensive. He didn't. He did it what I would call the "right" way.
                Modern Day Spec Wedge Racing

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                • 25drtrkr
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2015
                  • 856

                  #38
                  Originally posted by chupp n bloomer fan View Post
                  WoO will follow suit. They were waiting to see what Lucas did. They put out a rule screwing Darth Vader and y'all are good with it, applauding it. Put out one affecting Luke Skywalker, and the universe is coming to an end.

                  I'm guessing we shoulda let them continue as they were, to where anyone wanting to win, better hirer engineers. Then y'all can b!tch when there's a max of ten cars out there, hugging the bottom, glued to the track.

                  Should they mandate everything, no, but leaving the rules open leaves room for exploiting. Kevin wanted an updated rule book, here she is.
                  I don't believe it! The sun still rose in the eastern horizon, just like always. This earth shattering news did not stop the world from spinning on its axis.

                  I really wonder, how many complainers on here, are the ones paying the bills or are they, keyboard racers. I would like to hear from some of them.

                  All we hear on here is, costs, costs, costs....but when a series makes some new rules to reign in "some" costs, they complain about that. New rules always hurt some more than others, but they will get on with their racing. I bet Rumley is still hard at work looking for the next best thing.

                  There's over 1 million combinations on setups. There's plenty to work on for average joe!
                  Lions don't worry about the opinions of sheep.

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                  • LMNED10
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2014
                    • 131

                    #39
                    After reading and knowing what I know,with the aero, shocks, springs, and chassis components all we are doing is making the racing more like pavement racing everyday. i talked to one local car owner last night and he said that if you add weight to the car it would solve a lot of problems

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                    • MasterSbilt_Racer
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2007
                      • 14320

                      #40
                      Originally posted by 25drtrkr View Post
                      I don't believe it! The sun still rose in the eastern horizon, just like always. This earth shattering news did not stop the world from spinning on its axis.

                      I really wonder, how many complainers on here, are the ones paying the bills or are they, keyboard racers. I would like to hear from some of them.

                      All we hear on here is, costs, costs, costs....but when a series makes some new rules to reign in "some" costs, they complain about that. New rules always hurt some more than others, but they will get on with their racing. I bet Rumley is still hard at work looking for the next best thing.

                      There's over 1 million combinations on setups. There's plenty to work on for average joe!
                      I own a race car. It will be on the track this year. It has been deemed illegal because it has a device on it that has been used since the 80s and would make the car much easier for a hack like me to drive. I will not support Lucas in 2016. And likely not Florence Speedway once they inevitably are talked into adopting this rule book.

                      There rules won't save me a dime. But certainly make it boring for me.
                      Modern Day Spec Wedge Racing

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                      • davis2902
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2007
                        • 527

                        #41
                        Why is it so hard for people to differentiate between a "purchased" off the shelf $20,000 shock package and a $700 engineered lever package. If cost was the factor the cheaper device would not be banned. Look at this for what it is, a sanctioning body is trying to level the playing field to increase competition. Sound familiar? Does it work? The powers that be are once again bowing down or should I say "bowyering" down to a certain group.

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                        • 00Hdmn
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2008
                          • 1859

                          #42
                          The part that bothers me the most is that if you have a new idea you have to summit the idea to Lucas for approval before using it too race. As long as the new ideas are within the rules why the he!! should they have to ask for approval. People think that this is going to lower the cost but in fact it will just make the bigger teams spend more money on testing and engineers than ever before trying to get a leg up. The local guys still wont be able too and it will be the same. The problem happened a long time ago when Chassis and motors starting going through the roof on price. If you don't have a big bore 450 your screwed.

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                          • pink floyd
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 8181

                            #43
                            Originally posted by davis2902 View Post
                            Why is it so hard for people to differentiate between a "purchased" off the shelf $20,000 shock package and a $700 engineered lever package. If cost was the factor the cheaper device would not be banned. Look at this for what it is, a sanctioning body is trying to level the playing field to increase competition. Sound familiar? Does it work? The powers that be are once again bowing down or should I say "bowyering" down to a certain group.
                            very good post
                            jackie boggs....the last true outlaw
                            anyone but lanigan
                            Swartz - we don't build race cars fast, we build fast race cars

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                            • pink floyd
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 8181

                              #44
                              Originally posted by 00Hdmn View Post
                              The part that bothers me the most is that if you have a new idea you have to summit the idea to Lucas for approval before using it too race. As long as the new ideas are within the rules why the he!! should they have to ask for approval. People think that this is going to lower the cost but in fact it will just make the bigger teams spend more money on testing and engineers than ever before trying to get a leg up. The local guys still wont be able too and it will be the same. The problem happened a long time ago when Chassis and motors starting going through the roof on price. If you don't have a big bore 450 your screwed.
                              yes, the pre-approval process is a bunch of crap.
                              jackie boggs....the last true outlaw
                              anyone but lanigan
                              Swartz - we don't build race cars fast, we build fast race cars

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                              • Kromulous
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2007
                                • 3008

                                #45
                                12.21, section E contains info on any telemetry.

                                If they were gonna go this far, they should of just banned bump stops. As well add a rule, Wide-bore engines add 25lbs infront of the engine plate.

                                Outside of that i think what they have done is going to save money.

                                Only thing i dont like is the shock must connect to the BC, i like running the dummy shock on a clamp bracket sometimes.

                                Just say no...

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