Saturday East Bay Broadcast Discrepancy

[KAOS]

As far as charging seat price for PPV you are basically saying that being at the track adds no extra value to the ticket. Will people stay home yes but with a cheaper price more people would watch more lucas races which makes interest in the series go up and a bigger fan base. IMO One of the best things I have seen is the PBR they broadcast all of their Built Ford Tuff Series events for free live over the internet even when those events air on CBS Sports Network or CBS( also when they air events on CBS and CBS Sports Network they are only delayed at the most 24 hrs)

[kidrock]

Dirt on dirt is 89$ for 6 nights

Dirt nation wants $30 a race for the cheap broad cast or more for HD, or you can buy the week for like $180-200$
Thats insane.

They would have gotten another buyer if the price was reasonable. 90% of the people that buy the broadcast WAS NOT going to florida anyhow. It was just extra income for the tracks. We had a talk with them on sunday night in chat and they were slamming us fans for bitching that it was to much. Saying they had negotiated price with track and it pays the point funds lol. I cant stand dirt nation.

Well if this is true they were slamming fans for complaining because, it was to much they will never get my money ever because for one it was to much money. I looked into it and when I seen how much it cost they made my decision for me.

[SnakeX3]

As far as charging seat price for PPV you are basically saying that being at the track adds no extra value to the ticket. Will people stay home yes but with a cheaper price more people would watch more lucas races which makes interest in the series go up and a bigger fan base. IMO One of the best things I have seen is the PBR they broadcast all of their Built Ford Tuff Series events for free live over the internet even when those events air on CBS Sports Network or CBS( also when they air events on CBS and CBS Sports Network they are only delayed at the most 24 hrs)

You're right. Anyone that is a race fan is going to go to the track over watching at home most of the time. People that understand the big picture realize the value of having races on TV or available on PPV. Word of mouth will only do so much. As someone that got into the sport from seeing it on MavTV, I'm an example of how important TV exposure is to DLM.

When I first started watching races on Mav the race coverage was enough to get me interested, but I'm a race fan and once I saw how good the racing was I started going to the track and getting PPVs. Condensed versions of a race on TV can't compare to being there or watching the entire event live.

This is grassroots racing. It only hurts the sport if you can't follow it as closely as you like. Without sites like DoD or even 4m, it would be nearly impossible to build sustained interest. Most of us aren't going to fly all over the country to watch every race. By providing reasonably priced live coverage of races, Lucas is helping build the fan base so that there are more people that will be interested enough to purchase subscriptions to DoD and be willing to pay $15-$25 for a PPV once and a while.

At the same time, there is only so much any of us fans can spend on watching races. If Dirt Nation wants to charge $30+ per race, they certainly can do it and obviously some of you guys were willing to pay that much. I've got a fixed amount I can spend on races and I'm sure that's the same for most of you too. Without an unlimited budget I have to pick and choose how to spend those dollars and I ain't gonna plunk down the coin for the Dirt Nation East Bay coverage when I can watch a few races on LucasTV and see the full program from Volusia on DoD for significantly less.

Thankfully there is still some level of capitalism left in this country and unlike our healthcare, we can decide what we want to spend our money on. I think it's great that Dirt Nation is offering coverage. It's good for the sport. If there is a market for it and they can make some money, good for them. But in a free market economy, it's survival of the fittest. Hopefully Dirt Nation can find a business model that allows them to stay alive and thrive. I'm sure they've gotten plenty of feedback. Hopefully they listen to those of you that were unhappy with the product they paid for.

[huskerdirt]

You're right. Anyone that is a race fan is going to go to the track over watching at home most of the time. People that understand the big picture realize the value of having races on TV or available on PPV. Word of mouth will only do so much. As someone that got into the sport from seeing it on MavTV, I'm an example of how important TV exposure is to DLM.

When I first started watching races on Mav the race coverage was enough to get me interested, but I'm a race fan and once I saw how good the racing was I started going to the track and getting PPVs. Condensed versions of a race on TV can't compare to being there or watching the entire event live.

This is grassroots racing. It only hurts the sport if you can't follow it as closely as you like. Without sites like DoD or even 4m, it would be nearly impossible to build sustained interest. Most of us aren't going to fly all over the country to watch every race. By providing reasonably priced live coverage of races, Lucas is helping build the fan base so that there are more people that will be interested enough to purchase subscriptions to DoD and be willing to pay $15-$25 for a PPV once and a while.

At the same time, there is only so much any of us fans can spend on watching races. If Dirt Nation wants to charge $30+ per race, they certainly can do it and obviously some of you guys were willing to pay that much. I've got a fixed amount I can spend on races and I'm sure that's the same for most of you too. Without an unlimited budget I have to pick and choose how to spend those dollars and I ain't gonna plunk down the coin for the Dirt Nation East Bay coverage when I can watch a few races on LucasTV and see the full program from Volusia on DoD for significantly less.

Thankfully there is still some level of capitalism left in this country and unlike our healthcare, we can decide what we want to spend our money on. I think it's great that Dirt Nation is offering coverage. It's good for the sport. If there is a market for it and they can make some money, good for them. But in a free market economy, it's survival of the fittest. Hopefully Dirt Nation can find a business model that allows them to stay alive and thrive. I'm sure they've gotten plenty of feedback. Hopefully they listen to those of you that were unhappy with the product they paid for.

Excellent post.

In the past I've bought the week long deal from Eastbay. I understand there pricing that is per seat, same thing as Eldora. But I feel the amount of racing and quality doesn't match up to the price. Nothing more.

Both Lucas Oil TV and Dirt Nation TV has updated there schedules and they both still have the race. It looks like there is gonna be a group of fans that will be pissed off whichever way this turns out.

[TDRacin®]

It appears, contrary to what DN would like people to think, that Lucas Oil TV will be providing coverage as well. They for whatever reason felt they had the exclusive coverage but are wrong and refuse to admit it. If I were Lucas Oil I would be demanding they retract every Facebook post they have made with that statement in it. I'm not sure why they have to be so hostile about it and refuse to admit they are full of chit.

[Bubstr]

Bottom line is, Lucas Oil knows the value of advertising. They are the main sponsor and they set their own price. The PPV producers, that believe the price is too little are the same ones charging their sponsors more for the extra exposure.

Somewhere along the line, the price vs cost will find a market value. Even your week day news is paid for by a sponsor, who in turn charges you in the price of their product.

As far as I'm concerned, No PPV is worth the same as a live show at the track.

[SnakeX3]

Really! I mean we're dirt track fans. If they FAIL to come through, just say they were "testing". We accept that as a valid excuse for non-performance. LOL

[W2Racing09]

Well if this is true they were slamming fans for complaining because, it was to much they will never get my money ever because for one it was to much money. I looked into it and when I seen how much it cost they made my decision for me.

Yeah -- its nice to see a company that wants to air PPV of events, but the price was outrageous. I'm not 100% sure it is DNs fault (I'm sure the track does not want the PPV to be cheaper than the cost to get in in person.).

They were on there saying that they understand if you can't afford it, but the price is what the price is basically. They said they would not deliver a sub par product to get lower prices, etc.

It was a bit of a jab at Lucas Oil TV... but it was misplaced as there is not a PPV group in the country that can touch the broadcast quality of Lucas Oil TV. DoD is great, but they don't have the resources that Lucas Oil TV has.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[ChrisNunn]

When I announced the broadcasts for XSAN, RacefeedX, DirtNation we did our best to put on one hell of a show. Theres a ton that goes into it, the only comment I can make on this whole deal was about the comment of Barry and crew putting money back out there. They DO indeed put money back out as far as sponsorships, race purses, and the whole Sunshine State Modified Tour this year. Barry does indeed put a lot back out FOR the racers.

The only complaint I have about this year...is that im not down there calling the shows, and instead being in the Indiana cold weather lol

[SnakeX3]

I don't want to bash DirtNation/RacefeedX, which is why I make a point of saying that they are doing the sport a service by offering the PPV. I'm not sure if it's the same people that owned RacefeedX last season, but I can say that they were very fair with me last year when I bought one of their PPVs. For whatever reason I could not get their video player to work for more then 5 to 30 seconds without having to refresh the page. I worked on the issue with the customer support team for a while and they understood it was a legit problem and offered me a refund and promptly credited me when we couldn't find a solution.

As someone that has a lot experience running stream media servers, I understand how difficult it is to get things to work correctly with there being so many different types of systems your customers use. They did their best to help me out and that is all I could ask, so I was satisfied.

Similarly I've witnessed Rigsby helping people out with the DoD PPVs as well and I was impressed with how hard he worked to help every individual that had an issue even when it was obvious that the problem was on the customer side. In addition, prior to the events they would start streaming early to make sure everything was running properly before the show began, then once it was underway he would regularly ask people in the chat room for feedback on everything from picture quality to sound levels for the cars and announcers and ask if anyone was having any problems. The fact that he cared enough to solicit feedback rather than just wait for people to start complaining (and they always will) showed his commitment to providing the best experience possible. In my book that's huge.

[W2Racing09]

I don't want to bash DirtNation/RacefeedX, which is why I make a point of saying that they are doing the sport a service by offering the PPV. I'm not sure if it's the same people that owned RacefeedX last season, but I can say that they were very fair with me last year when I bought one of their PPVs. For whatever reason I could not get their video player to work for more then 5 to 30 seconds without having to refresh the page. I worked on the issue with the customer support team for a while and they understood it was a legit problem and offered me a refund and promptly credited me when we couldn't find a solution.

As someone that has a lot experience running stream media servers, I understand how difficult it is to get things to work correctly with there being so many different types of systems your customers use. They did their best to help me out and that is all I could ask, so I was satisfied.

Similarly I've witnessed Rigsby helping people out with the DoD PPVs as well and I was impressed with how hard he worked to help every individual that had an issue even when it was obvious that the problem was on the customer side. In addition, prior to the events they would start streaming early to make sure everything was running properly before the show began, then once it was underway he would regularly ask people in the chat room for feedback on everything from picture quality to sound levels for the cars and announcers and ask if anyone was having any problems. The fact that he cared enough to solicit feedback rather than just wait for people to start complaining (and they always will) showed his commitment to providing the best experience possible. In my book that's huge.

Yeah, I did like XSAN -- not sure why they are continuously re branding themselves. I never had a problem with XSAN pricing, so it is a surprise that it is the same group doing the DN stuff.

I was a little surprised at the "You Can't Afford It" comment during the practice session. I can afford it, I could afford to buy it 50 times if I wanted to. If I would have won Powerball a few weeks back and had enough money to wall paper a mansion entirely in 100 dollar bills I would still look at the value of things. For just SLMs, with mostly non points racing all week (IE the first two days with some drivers running, some not running and only for $5k to win) I did not see the value in the very high price.

It also bothers me to have to pay more to see it in HD. I would rather see one (the HQ price perhaps) price for all three. I don't have to pay more when I sit at the track because I have decent eye sight.

I think as soon as promoters and PPV people realize that watching a feed on your TV at home is NOT EQUAL TO watching it in person we will see the PPV stuff really take off. It is an unfortunate situation if you can't be at the track and have to watch it from home. Don't make it worse by charging the same or more as someone who gets to be there and experience the race live.

I would have bought the week pass for $110-$120.. or maybe even $130 if it were HD, but certainly not for $215. DirtVision has it right next week... I'm going to buy that one.

[ksmitty79]

I think it is safe to say that if a race is close to you that you are going to make the trip over buying PPV or online subscription. I myself do not have the funds to travel all over the country chasing racing (wish I did) but, if I can I will spend a couple of bucks to watch the race online I will and have. I am willing to bet that the majority of people that watch these races online spend their fair share of money at the racetrack! 60-80$ about every weekend I spend at a local racetrack. More when the National Guys come to town..

[plunks7]

Yeah, I did like XSAN -- not sure why they are continuously re branding themselves. I never had a problem with XSAN pricing, so it is a surprise that it is the same group doing the DN stuff.

I was a little surprised at the "You Can't Afford It" comment during the practice session. I can afford it, I could afford to buy it 50 times if I wanted to. If I would have won Powerball a few weeks back and had enough money to wall paper a mansion entirely in 100 dollar bills I would still look at the value of things. For just SLMs, with mostly non points racing all week (IE the first two days with some drivers running, some not running and only for $5k to win) I did not see the value in the very high price.

It also bothers me to have to pay more to see it in HD. I would rather see one (the HQ price perhaps) price for all three. I don't have to pay more when I sit at the track because I have decent eye sight.

I think as soon as promoters and PPV people realize that watching a feed on your TV at home is NOT EQUAL TO watching it in person we will see the PPV stuff really take off. It is an unfortunate situation if you can't be at the track and have to watch it from home. Don't make it worse by charging the same or more as someone who gets to be there and experience the race live.

I would have bought the week pass for $110-$120.. or maybe even $130 if it were HD, but certainly not for $215. DirtVision has it right next week... I'm going to buy that one.

I will be buying DOD for $85.00 and get six races. Now that is a Deal anywhere!!!

[xcelerated1]

All:

I wanted to put out some facts on the East Bay broadcast to clean up some of the confusion.

- DIRT NATION is broadcasting on Saturday.

- DIRT NATION is the former XSAN. We reorganized the company in early 2015 for growth. RACEFEEDX is a platform that multiple broadcasters utilize to bring you live shows including DIRT NATION, IMCA.TV, Low Budget TV, Pit Row Media, and Dirt Race Central. RACEFEEDX is a "hub" of multiple broadcasters.

- DIRT NATION has broadcast from East Bay since 2010 and we signed a contract extension (in 2015) until 2022.

- The price of the PPV is negotiated with the track. In most cases we will not undercut a Pit Pass. DirtOnDirt and other providers share this philosophy.

- All broadcasts are produced by race fans for race fans. We cover every lap, every class, every driver, and revenue share with our partner race tracks and sanctions providing race purses, series purses, and bonuses to drivers since 2010.

However you choose to watch (PPV, On Demand, Social Media) with whatever provider I thank all of you for being involved and helping this sport thrive with digital media. We broadcast racing because we love it.

I hope this helps clear the air a bit. For legal reasons we can't say much more at this time.

Thanks,

Barry Braun
DIRT NATION

[TDRacin®]

I appreciate the reply Barry. The only issue I have is the proclamation that Dirt Nation is the "exclusive" provider of coverage at East Bay for the Winter Nationals. With the fact that Lucas Oil and its new TV production has advertised this for several weeks and that knowledge being out there, I think it is a slap in their face by DN to falsely advertise such a thing, and continue to advertise this.

The wording has finally been changed since this was brought up, but it is still there in prior posts. It would appear the track is at fault for not clearly wording their agreements in place. That of course is up to the lawyers to figure out, but I would hope the situation is resolved so fans are not misled in the future.

Lucas Oil says they are showing the race and DN are saying Lucas Oil is not.