BOB @ Brownstown

[Clayton_Wetter]

Terry. I have never seen you one time approach anyone personally and tell them how you feel. You had ample opportunities to say these things to everyone in person yet you never took the chance. That's why I dont respect what you say a lot of the times. There would be a 6 wide battle for the lead yet if there was one streak of black on the track you would nitpick that instead

Wrong, I have had several discussions both by phone and in person. I gave my thoughts and listened to theirs.

Actually maybe it's none of my business as a paying customer to say anything on here? Yes, no?

How about burying the hatchet, sound like a good idea?

[Phil Latio]

Funny thing about this post is that Ken Schrader was bragging about how good the track was. Said it was good from top to bottom. But then again what does he know? Clayton have you ever actually went to a race in the last 30 years that was up to your standards?

[Clayton_Wetter]

Funny thing about this post is that Ken Schrader was bragging about how good the track was. Said it was good from top to bottom. But then again what does he know? Clayton have you ever actually went to a race in the last 30 years that was up to your standards?

Guess what though. Kenny does that at ALL the tracks he goes to. Promoting dirt racing dictates the message over anything else. Make sense?

[Clayton_Wetter]

Funny thing about this post is that Ken Schrader was bragging about how good the track was. Said it was good from top to bottom. But then again what does he know? Clayton have you ever actually went to a race in the last 30 years that was up to your standards?

Yes a good number of them. Not many locally though.

[Hoosier_Dirt]

Maybe asphalt racing would be better for you.

[Clayton_Wetter]

Maybe asphalt racing would be better for you.

Isn't that what a lot of dirt tracks already seem like? Not that it really matters right? Why would you say that anyway, you know that I like tacky clay over dry surfaces. How does blacktop fit that description.?

[Matt49]

Isn't that what a lot of dirt tracks already seem like? Not that it really matters right? Why would you say that anyway, you know that I like tacky clay over dry surfaces. How does blacktop fit that description.?

Because the track condition that you obviously don't like is a track that is slick from top to bottom. By the way, in case you didn't know it, this is the absolute most difficult condition for drivers because of the limited grip available. If you really want the BIG money to win, it should be hammer down all night. Any monkey wearing shoes can drive on a track where you keep it floored all the way around. Throttle control (demanded only when the track gets slick) is something that actually takes some skill.
So when people see that you despise slick track conditions so much and prefer a tacky dirt track with maximum grip, they can only conclude that you would even MORE prefer the most possible grip there is and that is on an ASPHALT race track.
I can completely understand if someone doesn't like a track that gets slick and ONE groove. But Brownstown was far from that last weekend and hasn't been that all year.
Over 2000 views of this thread and many comments but only one negative about the track conditions or the racing it provided...I think that by itself says quite a bit.

[dirtmiester]

Because the track condition that you obviously don't like is a track that is slick from top to bottom. By the way, in case you didn't know it, this is the absolute most difficult condition for drivers because of the limited grip available. If you really want the BIG money to win, it should be hammer down all night. Any monkey wearing shoes can drive on a track where you keep it floored all the way around. Throttle control (demanded only when the track gets slick) is something that actually takes some skill.So when people see that you despise slick track conditions so much and prefer a tacky dirt track with maximum grip, they can only conclude that you would even MORE prefer the most possible grip there is and that is on an ASPHALT race track. I can completely understand if someone doesn't like a track that gets slick and ONE groove. But Brownstown was far from that last weekend and hasn't been that all year. Over 2000 views of this thread and many comments but only one negative about the track conditions or the racing it provided...I think that by itself says quite a bit.

Very well said matt

[Clayton_Wetter]

Because the track condition that you obviously don't like is a track that is slick from top to bottom. By the way, in case you didn't know it, this is the absolute most difficult condition for drivers because of the limited grip available. If you really want the BIG money to win, it should be hammer down all night. Any monkey wearing shoes can drive on a track where you keep it floored all the way around. Throttle control (demanded only when the track gets slick) is something that actually takes some skill.
So when people see that you despise slick track conditions so much and prefer a tacky dirt track with maximum grip, they can only conclude that you would even MORE prefer the most possible grip there is and that is on an ASPHALT race track.
I can completely understand if someone doesn't like a track that gets slick and ONE groove. But Brownstown was far from that last weekend and hasn't been that all year.
Over 2000 views of this thread and many comments but only one negative about the track conditions or the racing it provided...I think that by itself says quite a bit.

Sorry but I still am convinced that this SKILL you are talking about is in reality being able to get the most traction and side bite. And the big money does just that. You are trying to tell me that a driver going faster and getting full use of a race track is a monkey, that is rediculous. I think you are insulting any driver that wants to be able to use the track surface for racing instead of spinning their tires.

And do you think that if the track was blacktop the track times would actually be faster than if this track was tacky clay. I honestly do not.

You need the track conditions to be light so that your expenses are minimized. That is the biggest part of why you defend them that way, I know that.

[dirtmiester]

A setup and money race.

Duh. Are you new to the sport?

[Matt49]

Sorry but I still am convinced that this SKILL you are talking about is in reality being able to get the most traction and side bite. And the big money does just that. You are trying to tell me that a driver going faster and getting full use of a race track is a monkey, that is rediculous. I think you are insulting any driver that wants to be able to use the track surface for racing instead of spinning their tires.

And do you think that if the track was blacktop the track times would actually be faster than if this track was tacky clay. I honestly do not.

You need the track conditions to be light so that your expenses are minimized. That is the biggest part of why you defend them that way, I know that.

Don't take my word for it...ask anybody that has DRIVEN a dirt late model what track condition is more challenging. A drivers job is to maximize traction. The less of it the track provides, the more difficult that job becomes. I know this is hard to see from the stands...but driving in slick conditions is what separates the great drivers from the good (and I'm not the former nor the latter).
From a setup standpoint, all the traction (I assume you mean forward bite) and side bite in the world will just give you a car that won't turn on or off the gas. There is a lot more to it than you can imagine.
Again, don't take my word for it. Just start asking drivers and crew chiefs what is more difficult and demanding. Do it at the next race you're in the pits and let us all know your results. Or go to the tech section and ask on 4m. This is not esoteric knowledge I possess.

And yes...take any dirt track and pave it and it will provide faster lap times than the same dirt track. This has been proven over and over through history. When they put dirt on Bristol, were the late models turning faster lap times than the heavier, under-powered Cup cars? No, they were not. Dirt (no matter how tacky) can never provide the grip that asphalt can. Grip=speed. Plain and simple.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Sorry but I still am convinced that this SKILL you are talking about is in reality being able to get the most traction and side bite. And the big money does just that. You are trying to tell me that a driver going faster and getting full use of a race track is a monkey, that is rediculous. I think you are insulting any driver that wants to be able to use the track surface for racing instead of spinning their tires.

And do you think that if the track was blacktop the track times would actually be faster than if this track was tacky clay. I honestly do not.

You need the track conditions to be light so that your expenses are minimized. That is the biggest part of why you defend them that way, I know that.

Big money buys big engines period. I have seen poor guys win a lot on slick. Never on hammer down.

Big money aint going to buy you any components for the suspension that others don't have, unless you buy Rumley.

[old fan]

do you need a big money motor to win at Btown

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

do you need a big money motor to win at Btown

Rarely....

[Matt49]

Nope...the man that has one the most features ever at Brownstown told me the best motor he ever had for that race track was a 386.