Milliken DQ'd 4/30 WoO

[Aces&Eights]

You talking about GIS, when Sterling and Mikey hopped in late models!

No. This was Seven Flags speedway, west of Atlanta.

[blncfn57]

Maybe Non-Tour drivers feel they need an extra edge to hang with the big guns and reach for the special sauce. Maybe cheating on tires isn't as rampant on the tour as some would lead you to believe... Just maybe the game isn't as rigged as some thought. Maybe they are just that good.

We had a guy that ran super late model at my track growing up, who was an older gentleman. Very low budget, car was several years old, never contended for the win, was usually the first to get the move over flag. Well the promoter ponied up the dough to have, "Sterling Marlin" come and race with the track regulars in the Super division. Now this was probably 87' or 88' so Sterling was in his prime, but he didn't have a car of his own to run. So the older gentleman I mentioned gladly offered to let Sterling drive his car in the feature. No special prep, no super secret setup before hand, he just showed up and drove this guys car. It was like night and day, I've never seen that car run that fast, I didn't think it could.

Sterling had never raced at this track before and he qualified in the top ten. Then he had them make some changes he wanted to the car and went out to run the feature. Within 5 laps he was challenging for 3rd when the motor scattered at the end of the back strait. Wow! I remember everyone looking around in disbelief that just switching the driver had made that car so much faster. Being a stand up guy, Sterling paid to have his engine rebuilt. The reason some are regularly faster than others, isn't always the result of cheating.

Haven't Owens, Bloomquist and a few other big names been caught with juiced up tires in the past? Yes, they are exceptional drivers, but for some reason they felt they needed to do it....... by me saying that, it does not mean I think they cheat every night they race.

[Barbecueboy]

Think Milliken won this weekend fwiw.........

[powerslide]

If you have ever felt a tire washed with simple green vs not washed with it you will understand. Spray it on just like a soap let it sit a few minutes then power wash it off. It helps open the pores and bring oils to the surface. Those pro's don't run tires more than once or twice. They are looking for sheer speed and don't care if it lasts. If he has a well funded team (which it looks he does) they may very well be treating tires. Next time out, go by bloomers pit and pick up some rubber send it in see if it matches any benchmarks.

[blncfn57]

If you have ever felt a tire washed with simple green vs not washed with it you will understand. Spray it on just like a soap let it sit a few minutes then power wash it off. It helps open the pores and bring oils to the surface. Those pro's don't run tires more than once or twice. They are looking for sheer speed and don't care if it lasts. If he has a well funded team (which it looks he does) they may very well be treating tires. Next time out, go by bloomers pit and pick up some rubber send it in see if it matches any benchmarks.

yes I have felt tires washed with simple green. They feel the same as washing them with a good hot water pressure washer or dawn dish soap TBH. I'm not saying they perform any better or worse, just saying they feel the same.
We've heard this simple green excuse tons of times when people get caught with tires that don't meet benchmarks. If it really does make your tire fail the lab tests and everyone knows this.... then why would anyone use it? Because it's just that, an excuse.

Years ago at our local track, the guy winning most of the races swore he was washing his tires in gasoline to get the oil off of them, today everyone wants to keep it in.

[Aces&Eights]

Haven't Owens, Bloomquist and a few other big names been caught with juiced up tires in the past? Yes, they are exceptional drivers, but for some reason they felt they needed to do it....... by me saying that, it does not mean I think they cheat every night they race.

Sure, several years ago it was much more prevalent, most teams were doing something with softeners and strengtheners, before the testing ramped up. Nowadays its much harder to sneak that by and since the tire companies are submitting "benchmark" samples for comparison, so much more so. The days of going to Home depot and buying some xylene and mixing it with creosote and diesel are over. Open tire rules are always better, much less incentive to try to steal a victory, just put on the right tire. This horse is dead.

[Aces&Eights]

Milliken won @ Fayetteville in the Clash race. If he passes tech I guess he's redeemed some what from the ones who speculated he'd always cheated.

[Barbecueboy]

Pretty sure He passed tire tests in a couple touring races that came pre woo race too........when you look at his record the last 3 or 4 months woo seems to be the only tire test they can't pass.

Odd.

[W2Racing09]

Pretty sure He passed tire tests in a couple touring races that came pre woo race too........when you look at his record the last 3 or 4 months woo seems to be the only tire test they can't pass.

Odd.

I wouldn't expect him to be treating his tires again after failing at the WoO race. That would just be stupid, knowing full well they will be checking tires again and probably putting some extra attention toward his considering that he was recently caught.

[King1]

The fee you pay to be a WRG member also secretly buys immunity from tire testing. The wrap keeps the smell down when the put the stuff on the outside.

[zach51]

I've known a couple of cats to soak them from the inside too, then bake them in a powdercoat oven for a little bit and let the juice spread from the inside out. Not sure if it helps or not, but I've seen it.

[Barbecueboy]

I wouldn't expect him to be treating his tires again after failing at the WoO race. That would just be stupid, knowing full well they will be checking tires again and probably putting some extra attention toward his considering that he was recently caught.

He also passed a few touring tire tests prior to the woo result...........they were clean too.

As I said, woo is the only test they can't pass apparently.

[Aces&Eights]

I've known a couple of cats to soak them from the inside too, then bake them in a powdercoat oven for a little bit and let the juice spread from the inside out. Not sure if it helps or not, but I've seen it.

Help or hurt it shows up in the test.

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

Pretty sure He passed tire tests in a couple touring races that came pre woo race too........when you look at his record the last 3 or 4 months woo seems to be the only tire test they can't pass.

Odd.

You might b on to somthing there BBQ. Its funny how all that works

[W2Racing09]

He also passed a few touring tire tests prior to the woo result...........they were clean too.

As I said, woo is the only test they can't pass apparently.

I have not seen him finish top 3 in the LOLMDS or WoO in the past, I thought they only test the top 3 or 5?

I have a lot more respect for you than to think you will believe that a business (that wouldn't survive without the support of local drivers) would go out of their way to fabricate a fake lab result which ends in the best story of their season so far turning into one of the most negative. This does not help the WoO in any way, in fact all it has effectively done is create topics such as this. The lab wouldn't risk their reputation on going along with a lie either.