Dqed from dream

[BIGSTEVE00]

Wow, what is wrong with our sport here lately? What happened to just let them race? I'm not exactly sure what they are doing to get these fines and DQ's but its a shame that it doesn't happen until a week after the race. I feel sorry for these drivers and teams for what they are going thru. But at the same time if they know better and are doing it anyways then if they get caught then that's on them. Its still crazy IMO. Its just hard for me to believe some of the drivers on that list. Some have been caught before tho. Those penalties are a little harsh imo. Now none of them can run the He11Tour or WoO races. That sucks.

[blncfn57]

if you are going to do it make it big, did they have a tire test at the show me hell no

So, if you sell drugs 100 times and don't get caught are you exempt from the punishment the one time you do? How about speeding? If the policeman was sitting somewhere new and busts you where you normally get away with it are you entitled to get away with it again? Tire cheating is the biggest chicken(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) way to cheat IMO and they deserve what they get, whether the driver knew of it or not.

[blncfn57]

Ok, I will add more to the theory then. The 22 with the king of all crew chiefs cant get out of their own way in Florida until Mark comes to the rescue with some advice. Now Satterlee and Shepherd are both caught. How about UMP answering the question of how many tires were taken from the 6 car and that 1 car. I bet Zero to that also!

In my honest opinion however, I think there is a real problem with what we are using to clean and or sand the tires (maybe the resin in the sanding disk). Knowing what the rules are for this race and the impact for the World 100, you can't tell me that Owens, Bloomquist, Satterlee, Shepherd, with the top wrenches of Barry Wright, Allen, and Edwards would not know the impacts of rolling the dice. They weren't born yesterday and the World 100 is the biggest, most lucrative race for all of us!!

I don't believe for one minute that grinding a tire, or even using simple green, will make a tire not pass a lab test. These are excuses from drivers and owners that are looking to keep their fan base and not look like fools. The guys that are tire doping experts get paid alot of money because it's a complicated process.

[scrub_fan]

But it said non detectable

[old fan]

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=simple+green+vs+race+tires&view=detail&mid=36A3A437A6E5585AD83736A3A437A6E5585AD837&FORM=VIRE

[Pennsboro23]

How does he feel. He feels amazing knowing he doesn't have to run against Jimmy Owens, or Scott Bloomquist in the World, two drivers that can out drive him any day!! Hey, I wonder how many of those 32 tires taken were from the 6 car. I bet you ZERO. ZERO!. Now, he can slam the RR quarter panel completely off and have no pressure! You guys want to talk conspiracy theories, here you go. Amazing how all of this happens as soon as Barry and Jimmy get going.

I'm one of the biggest Jimmy Owens fans but come on. Jimmy hasn't ran well for a year until recently. Jimmy is soaking tires and still getting out run by JD on a consistent basis. Jimmy has been caught before, the last time I can remember was the suspension from NDRL.

On another note, we need Hoosier or somebody to make a tutorial video showing a regular tire with no treatment, a tire with treatment, a tire that's grooved and show us the lab process. Spray tires with different chemicals and show us what passes and what does not.

[fastford]

Ok, I will add more to the theory then. The 22 with the king of all crew chiefs cant get out of their own way in Florida until Mark comes to the rescue with some advice. Now Satterlee and Shepherd are both caught. How about UMP answering the question of how many tires were taken from the 6 car and that 1 car. I bet Zero to that also!

In my honest opinion however, I think there is a real problem with what we are using to clean and or sand the tires (maybe the resin in the sanding disk). Knowing what the rules are for this race and the impact for the World 100, you can't tell me that Owens, Bloomquist, Satterlee, Shepherd, with the top wrenches of Barry Wright, Allen, and Edwards would not know the impacts of rolling the dice. They weren't born yesterday and the World 100 is the biggest, most lucrative race for all of us!!

best post of this thread IMO, I bet the ones involved don't just roll over and throw there legs up this time.....

[dirt crow]

I'd just like to say that my first trip to cedar lake in August could possibly be bloomer free. Excitement level just went up a few notches. Lol!!!! .....carry on.

[UMPDream]

I'm one of the biggest Jimmy Owens fans but come on. Jimmy hasn't ran well for a year until recently. Jimmy is soaking tires and still getting out run by JD on a consistent basis. Jimmy has been caught before, the last time I can remember was the suspension from NDRL.

Ok, then how about Lucas Oil and UMP/Woo start posting who's tires were taken and tested. That way, we all know (meaning all teams). With the harsh penalty that Lucas Oil has in place, I doubt if Barry wants to eliminate his place in the Lucas Oil series. They have worked hard on their chassis is the reason why they are better now. Personally, I'm sick of it. If they are caught on a national level, what do you think is happening when they drop in for a local/regional $2500 show? Now, I know why certain XR1's are so much faster than other XR1's on a regional level. This will never end until you start making the teams buy the tires on race day, at the event.

[CRK]

Ok, then how about Lucas Oil and UMP/Woo start posting who's tires were taken and tested. That way, we all know (meaning all teams). With the harsh penalty that Lucas Oil has in place, I doubt if Barry wants to eliminate his place in the Lucas Oil series. They have worked hard on their chassis is the reason why they are better now. Personally, I'm sick of it. If they are caught on a national level, what do you think is happening when they drop in for a local/regional $2500 show? Now, I know why certain XR1's are so much faster than other XR1's on a regional level. This will never end until you start making the teams buy the tires on race day, at the event.

One step closer to NASCAR....get you tire packages at the track. Probably have pre determined groove patterns too so everyone is on a level playing field.

[zyoung25]

Ok, then how about Lucas Oil and UMP/Woo start posting who's tires were taken and tested. That way, we all know (meaning all teams). With the harsh penalty that Lucas Oil has in place, I doubt if Barry wants to eliminate his place in the Lucas Oil series. They have worked hard on their chassis is the reason why they are better now. Personally, I'm sick of it. If they are caught on a national level, what do you think is happening when they drop in for a local/regional $2500 show? Now, I know why certain XR1's are so much faster than other XR1's on a regional level. This will never end until you start making the teams buy the tires on race day, at the event.

If you read my post, it's pretty obvious who got tested. RT and Satterlee both ran top 2 in heat 6, Bloomer ran 2nd in heat 8, jimmy started on the tail of his b main and finished 4th. BShep ran 2nd in heat 5.

It all happened Friday, regardless of what the article says. I never seen any tire samples taken until after the 100 lapper Saturday night. Bloomquist never even made the feature Saturday, so why else would they take a sample from him when he wasn't even a contender at all Saturday night?

[Dante Toledo, OH]

All of these race series need to get together on this bs. If you are suspended from one series for 3 months. You should be suspended from all of them. And someone that has been caught for the same thing 4 or 5 times should have a way stiffer penalty then first timers. Bloomquist is racing equal to Barry Bonds or Lance Armstrong. Lots of wins and records but been caught cheating way to many times to be believable. It's BS that someone gets caught cheating in one series and can just show up at the next Lucas race like nothing happened. And for those wondering who was clean. You can check. Eldora post who they will be testing. Top 2 every heat so many from b so many from a etc.

[chop6259]

I wouldn't be too overly critical of the Lucas Oil series. I know it isn't on the Lucas Oil touring level, but would say Lucas based events in general may be starting to make an effort to crack down. Two weeks ago at the weekly racing series that is run at Wheatland, they took tire samples from the top four of the feature. Not just durometer test, but samples taken and sent to the lab. In the promoter's defense, you have to remember that these lab test are not pro-bono. They do cost money. If they come back clean, I believe the promoter/sanctioning body is stuck with the bill. Lab testing every tire is not really feasible. I don't agree that the lab test are flawed. That is why they take multiple samples from the tire, so that the repeatability of the results can be verified. They are tested against a standard that everyone agrees to when they choose to race with a given sanctioning body. If it was track contamination, you would expect to see that on every sample from every car tested. Then there may be some suspicion, but not when the failures are hit and miss. I do agree that the penalties need to be much stiffer. Make it hurt for the first offense, then banned from all events for the second offense. I can't stand cheaters. They ruin it for everyone else that works so hard to play fair.

[heinen81]

Tire prep rule, in my opinion, hurts the little guy. First, not all tire preps are softeners. Many are conditioners that bring the tire up to temp faster, and allows the tire temps to plateau and level off, many times adding life to the tire by better controlling temps. Fact of the matter is fans see a better show, competitors (especially the budget guys) have increased tire life, and the correct preps may allow some of the smaller budget teams to bring some of their tires back to life, versus needing 6 new tires to run a touring show and be somewhat competitive. Generally speaking, preps are fairly low cost, especially if it gives your tires an extra night or two of life. Is anyone at that great of an advantage by treating tires on dirt? at best, the results shown are 2-3 tenths on asphalt, curious with the effects on dirt other than preserving the tire through the course of a longer race. With the recent advancements in traction control devices, some that the general fan isn't even aware exists, is more of a threat to the sport than treating tires. It is what it is and they got caught, but if you think those were the only guys at Eldora with treated tires, you are nuts. Just depends what they were using, how much, and if the labs are onto it yet. Its a cat and mouse game.

[superstock79]

Wonder if all the bloomer fans kept their paper sacks they wore back when he crashed the chrome car?.?. I guess we'll see when the world gets here...