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[racingfool32]

A lot of "BUTTHURT" bloomer fans here complaining. lmao

[Bob Hubbard]

I bet tony wish's he would have checked bloomers tire last year when he was lite on the scales ..... Than what ....

[jog49]

All this cheating and unsportsmanlike conduct......seems that's the direction the whole (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) country is headed here the last decade or so.

[UMPDream]

Tire prep rule, in my opinion, hurts the little guy. First, not all tire preps are softeners. Many are conditioners that bring the tire up to temp faster, and allows the tire temps to plateau and level off, many times adding life to the tire by better controlling temps. Fact of the matter is fans see a better show, competitors (especially the budget guys) have increased tire life, and the correct preps may allow some of the smaller budget teams to bring some of their tires back to life, versus needing 6 new tires to run a touring show and be somewhat competitive. Generally speaking, preps are fairly low cost, especially if it gives your tires an extra night or two of life. Is anyone at that great of an advantage by treating tires on dirt? at best, the results shown are 2-3 tenths on asphalt, curious with the effects on dirt other than preserving the tire through the course of a longer race. With the recent advancements in traction control devices, some that the general fan isn't even aware exists, is more of a threat to the sport than treating tires. It is what it is and they got caught, but if you think those were the only guys at Eldora with treated tires, you are nuts. Just depends what they were using, how much, and if the labs are onto it yet. Its a cat and mouse game.

I can understand your point of view of why you need prep and how a gallon at $20-$30 ends up saving you money in the long run. However, we aren't talking about $20 gallons of prep. We are talking about 5 gallon buckets that cost hundreds if not more, machines to roll the chemicals, etc... Trust me, you dont want to compete with whats out there compared to the $20 gallon. We have dealt with this for too long now. It's time to start going to a spec tire, no grooving, no siping. Buy it at the track, install it and go race. Does this suck? YES, but its the only way to take care of this once and for all. If those many top teams are willing to sacrifice all purse money, not to mention the World 100, then NO fine or penalty will stop it. The only way to stop it is to do what I'm saying above. That way, all teams will be on an equal tire basis. Trust me, all teams and crews would LOVE to eliminate the grooving and siping that sucks the time out of you. It's time for a big change.

[old fan]

you would think theses teams would 've learned a lesson but he11 no

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

Man o man what a mess we have here!

[superstock79]

Wonder if all the bloomer fans kept their paper sacks they wore back when he crashed the chrome car?.?. I guess we'll see when the world gets here...

[heinen81]

Tire prep rule, in my opinion, hurts the little guy. First, not all tire preps are softeners. Many are conditioners that bring the tire up to temp faster, and allows the tire temps to plateau and level off, many times adding life to the tire by better controlling temps. Fact of the matter is fans see a better show, competitors (especially the budget guys) have increased tire life, and the correct preps may allow some of the smaller budget teams to bring some of their tires back to life, versus needing 6 new tires to run a touring show and be somewhat competitive. Generally speaking, preps are fairly low cost, especially if it gives your tires an extra night or two of life. Is anyone at that great of an advantage by treating tires on dirt? at best, the results shown are 2-3 tenths on asphalt, curious with the effects on dirt other than preserving the tire through the course of a longer race. With the recent advancements in traction control devices, some that the general fan isn't even aware exists, is more of a threat to the sport than treating tires. It is what it is and they got caught, but if you think those were the only guys at Eldora with treated tires, you are nuts. Just depends what they were using, how much, and if the labs are onto it yet. Its a cat and mouse game.

[chop6259]

I wouldn't be too overly critical of the Lucas Oil series. I know it isn't on the Lucas Oil touring level, but would say Lucas based events in general may be starting to make an effort to crack down. Two weeks ago at the weekly racing series that is run at Wheatland, they took tire samples from the top four of the feature. Not just durometer test, but samples taken and sent to the lab. In the promoter's defense, you have to remember that these lab test are not pro-bono. They do cost money. If they come back clean, I believe the promoter/sanctioning body is stuck with the bill. Lab testing every tire is not really feasible. I don't agree that the lab test are flawed. That is why they take multiple samples from the tire, so that the repeatability of the results can be verified. They are tested against a standard that everyone agrees to when they choose to race with a given sanctioning body. If it was track contamination, you would expect to see that on every sample from every car tested. Then there may be some suspicion, but not when the failures are hit and miss. I do agree that the penalties need to be much stiffer. Make it hurt for the first offense, then banned from all events for the second offense. I can't stand cheaters. They ruin it for everyone else that works so hard to play fair.

[Dante Toledo, OH]

All of these race series need to get together on this bs. If you are suspended from one series for 3 months. You should be suspended from all of them. And someone that has been caught for the same thing 4 or 5 times should have a way stiffer penalty then first timers. Bloomquist is racing equal to Barry Bonds or Lance Armstrong. Lots of wins and records but been caught cheating way to many times to be believable. It's BS that someone gets caught cheating in one series and can just show up at the next Lucas race like nothing happened. And for those wondering who was clean. You can check. Eldora post who they will be testing. Top 2 every heat so many from b so many from a etc.

[zyoung25]

Ok, then how about Lucas Oil and UMP/Woo start posting who's tires were taken and tested. That way, we all know (meaning all teams). With the harsh penalty that Lucas Oil has in place, I doubt if Barry wants to eliminate his place in the Lucas Oil series. They have worked hard on their chassis is the reason why they are better now. Personally, I'm sick of it. If they are caught on a national level, what do you think is happening when they drop in for a local/regional $2500 show? Now, I know why certain XR1's are so much faster than other XR1's on a regional level. This will never end until you start making the teams buy the tires on race day, at the event.

If you read my post, it's pretty obvious who got tested. RT and Satterlee both ran top 2 in heat 6, Bloomer ran 2nd in heat 8, jimmy started on the tail of his b main and finished 4th. BShep ran 2nd in heat 5.

It all happened Friday, regardless of what the article says. I never seen any tire samples taken until after the 100 lapper Saturday night. Bloomquist never even made the feature Saturday, so why else would they take a sample from him when he wasn't even a contender at all Saturday night?

[CRK]

Ok, then how about Lucas Oil and UMP/Woo start posting who's tires were taken and tested. That way, we all know (meaning all teams). With the harsh penalty that Lucas Oil has in place, I doubt if Barry wants to eliminate his place in the Lucas Oil series. They have worked hard on their chassis is the reason why they are better now. Personally, I'm sick of it. If they are caught on a national level, what do you think is happening when they drop in for a local/regional $2500 show? Now, I know why certain XR1's are so much faster than other XR1's on a regional level. This will never end until you start making the teams buy the tires on race day, at the event.

One step closer to NASCAR....get you tire packages at the track. Probably have pre determined groove patterns too so everyone is on a level playing field.

[UMPDream]

I'm one of the biggest Jimmy Owens fans but come on. Jimmy hasn't ran well for a year until recently. Jimmy is soaking tires and still getting out run by JD on a consistent basis. Jimmy has been caught before, the last time I can remember was the suspension from NDRL.

Ok, then how about Lucas Oil and UMP/Woo start posting who's tires were taken and tested. That way, we all know (meaning all teams). With the harsh penalty that Lucas Oil has in place, I doubt if Barry wants to eliminate his place in the Lucas Oil series. They have worked hard on their chassis is the reason why they are better now. Personally, I'm sick of it. If they are caught on a national level, what do you think is happening when they drop in for a local/regional $2500 show? Now, I know why certain XR1's are so much faster than other XR1's on a regional level. This will never end until you start making the teams buy the tires on race day, at the event.

[dirt crow]

I'd just like to say that my first trip to cedar lake in August could possibly be bloomer free. Excitement level just went up a few notches. Lol!!!! .....carry on.

[fastford]

Ok, I will add more to the theory then. The 22 with the king of all crew chiefs cant get out of their own way in Florida until Mark comes to the rescue with some advice. Now Satterlee and Shepherd are both caught. How about UMP answering the question of how many tires were taken from the 6 car and that 1 car. I bet Zero to that also!

In my honest opinion however, I think there is a real problem with what we are using to clean and or sand the tires (maybe the resin in the sanding disk). Knowing what the rules are for this race and the impact for the World 100, you can't tell me that Owens, Bloomquist, Satterlee, Shepherd, with the top wrenches of Barry Wright, Allen, and Edwards would not know the impacts of rolling the dice. They weren't born yesterday and the World 100 is the biggest, most lucrative race for all of us!!

best post of this thread IMO, I bet the ones involved don't just roll over and throw there legs up this time.....