Dqed from dream

[Pennsboro23]

Why is it hard to believe? because it's been said ad nauseum how all of these guys cheat.....woo and Lucas would both be encompassed in " all"

And no, you don't need to name every driver they have caught........but when you say they have no problem catching guys all the time( your own words), I just figured you could come up with more than the controversial 5 ( which include bloomquist in case ya missed it) they just dqd, and the other two you mentioned.

Maybe they all cheated.......maybe the guys doing the collection and testing have an agenda too, especially when it comes to the dominant series drivers coming in and kicking their butts at the jewels on a pretty regular basis.

I don't have the absolute best answer, but the entire process needs overhauling and rethought out.

It just doesn't pass the sniff test for transparency.........I wish I was the only person that thought so.

Yeah, I am aware Bloomquist was caught. The reason I said he was a REPEAT offender. When you said I mentioned 7 guys, I was adding that Bloomquist had been caught before so the number of times they have caught people was higher than 7.

I don't have the best answer either. Part of me thinks that open tire is the best way to go and another part of me thinks it is not. I'm not sure what the correct answer is. However, the DLM world needs to figure out something. Lucas and WoO are going to have to get together and you and I will have to agree to disagree.

[Barbecueboy]

You must not have. Adding words to my sentences. Why is it so hard to believe that the 10 or so drivers they have abide by tire rules? They have seen what can be done when caught so why do it? I'm not saying that everyone of those cars are legal but tire wise they must be. Do I really need to sit here and name every driver they have caught? Bloomer has been a repeat offender so the number is higher than 7 which is a heck of a lot more than Lucas has ever caught.

Why is it hard to believe? because it's been said ad nauseum how all of these guys cheat.....woo and Lucas would both be encompassed in " all"

And no, you don't need to name every driver they have caught........but when you say they have no problem catching guys all the time( your own words), I just figured you could come up with more than the controversial 5 ( which include bloomquist in case ya missed it) they just dqd, and the other two you mentioned.

Maybe they all cheated.......maybe the guys doing the collection and testing have an agenda too, especially when it comes to the dominant series drivers coming in and kicking their butts at the jewels on a pretty regular basis.

I don't have the absolute best answer, but the entire process needs overhauling and rethought out.

It just doesn't pass the sniff test for transparency.........I wish I was the only person that thought so.

[Pennsboro23]

I read it fine......so what your saying is that woo and ump have no problem catching guys all the time........just not their guys?

You say "all the time"and named 7 ........and not a single one of them run woo regularly.

Nothing at all could be inferred by that!

You must not have. Adding words to my sentences. Why is it so hard to believe that the 10 or so drivers they have abide by tire rules? They have seen what can be done when caught so why do it? I'm not saying that everyone of those cars are legal but tire wise they must be. Do I really need to sit here and name every driver they have caught? Bloomer has been a repeat offender so the number is higher than 7 which is a heck of a lot more than Lucas has ever caught.

[Barbecueboy]

I didn't say THEIR guys. I said they catch guys all the time. These 5, Willie Milliken, Jason Feger, and there's more that I'm not thinking of right now. Who has Lucas caught? Go back and read.

I read it fine......so what your saying is that woo and ump have no problem catching guys all the time........just not their guys?

You say "all the time"and named 7 ........and not a single one of them run woo regularly.

Nothing at all could be inferred by that!

[Pennsboro23]

Woo and ump catch their guys all the time???? really???

I didn't say THEIR guys. I said they catch guys all the time. These 5, Willie Milliken, Jason Feger, and there's more that I'm not thinking of right now. Who has Lucas caught? Go back and read.

[Barbecueboy]

You really think this is their first time doing it this year? They aren't going to gamble like that only once and risk their reputations and for 100,000?. What were they going to do had they won the 100,000, they know that the tires would have been taken. They've gotten away with it so many times and thought they would again. This wasn't a hey lets chance it kinda deal. They were thinking nobody was going to check, or that they had undetectable stuff, and had gotten away with it all year. WoO/UMP don't have a problem catching guys all the time. When is the last time someone has been caught running a lucas series race? You can really tell who has common sense and who doesn't around here.

Woo and ump catch their guys all the time???? really???

[Cardirt0]

Well, my State is 9 tenths brokeAny other options???

Will that means thing are getting better in Ill. then...Cause we were at 9.999 be for.....

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I have seen it gain over a second for over 70 laps. If it wasnt amazing no one would be doing it.

There are quite a few things in racing that have/are being done that people believe are amazing. None of the guys using the stuff have legitimate testing data to prove it works. I call BS on a second. Unless you softened a D70 to durometer 35 and were running on a wet track. You just can't gain that much. Anyone who did, it would be totally obvious.

[Pennsboro23]

Could it be since 3 of those caught Usually run Lucas that they were willing to gamble at a non-points event paying $100K that they wouldn't be selected for testing? I don't see how them getting caught by WoO says that Lucas isn't testing. It was a logical, be it, ill advised gamble for a $100,000 since the penalties/suspensions wouldn't effect your day job... You can really tell on here who races and who don't.

You really think this is their first time doing it this year? They aren't going to gamble like that only once and risk their reputations and for 100,000?. What were they going to do had they won the 100,000, they know that the tires would have been taken. They've gotten away with it so many times and thought they would again. This wasn't a hey lets chance it kinda deal. They were thinking nobody was going to check, or that they had undetectable stuff, and had gotten away with it all year. WoO/UMP don't have a problem catching guys all the time. When is the last time someone has been caught running a lucas series race? You can really tell who has common sense and who doesn't around here.

[Hard rock candy]

Zero's super secret sauce, did it contribute to his tire's premature ejaculation during hot laps?Was B'Shep's killing them in his heat, juicey or just J-Lo?"Look Mama I'm going fast!" Ricky Bobby Jr(Thornton) wasnt really going fast and Mama's not happy.The O-Show had a dream that has become a nightmare.Satterlee, aka "jimmy Neutron" wasn't as quick in the lab as the other dudes.

Awesome post!

[Aces&Eights]

If you're Jonathan Davenport, how do you feel? Lucas drew up a 3 page rule book just for his left rear and you've got other guys doping tires on the Lucas series. (It's not like this is their first time). I can't believe people aren't talking about Lucas more in this deal. Looks to me like they're letting tire doping go. WoO/UMP just made themselves look a whole lot better than Lucas, integrity wise.

Could it be since 3 of those caught Usually run Lucas that they were willing to gamble at a non-points event paying $100K that they wouldn't be selected for testing? I don't see how them getting caught by WoO says that Lucas isn't testing. It was a logical, be it, ill advised gamble for a $100,000 since the penalties/suspensions wouldn't effect your day job...

[Necrosis]

When they were testing Satterlees tires he was fairly agitated and short with everyone.

Now now now, no need to make those kinda jokes about a man's height! Yes, he may have come up short at the Dream, but at least he can stand tall knowing he didn't cheat! What's that you say? He did? Well, he should just be the bigger man and admit his shortcomings... He shouldn't let his detractors weaken his resolve... Just give them the double tall man and tell 'em to go to hell!

[old fan]

what state of confusion

[Highside Hustler25]

Or maybe it is like this. If you are a Lucas guy with $100k on the line it is worth the risk. If you get caught you still get to run the Lucas series. But if you are a WOO guy and get caught you will also get suspended from the WOO. Risk VS Reward. Some of you should really contact your state and demand a refund for your education...

Well, my State is 9 tenths brokeAny other options???

[drano]

I have seen it gain over a second for over 70 laps. If it wasnt amazing no one would be doing it.

No wonder people get caught cheating when they tire dope if you gain a second that would sure draw suspicion.