Overturned!!! ---ish

[racingfool32]

I'd say the panel said the "LOSERS" cheated!!

[Barbecueboy]

They were cheating plain and simple. If the test is flawed, why did the 30 or so others pass?

Suspensions start today!

They may have all cheated, but it's far from plain and simple...........

[tb1545]

If i was a team, and especially at the regional level where the rules guys are less educated than say lucas or WoO officials, I would just want to know what the phrase "does not meet the benchmark" means. Any of these tire tests that have posted have never labeled exactly what that means. How far of a tolerance is given before a tire "does not meet the benchmark"? Also is there chemicals that are allowed or not. We're racers and stuff goes flying all over the place oils, fuel, brake clean, etc. if we need to keep tires in a safe room while not out on the track for fear of false contamination, I'd want to know. We see everyone wrapping tires to keep contamination out and oils in, how old can a tire be and still "meet the benchmark"? Not trying to defend the cheaters by any means, but the mystery on how this is teched leaves too much room for drama about the decision. deck height being 1/2" too tall is a finite measurement that we can all comprehend. a tire containing 200parts per million too much arsenic is something we can comprehend. "does not meet benchmark" doesnt quantify anything and leaves everyone asking who, what, why, how?

Also, did anyone see after that tire test was overturned for i think ?SAS? a few years ago when the guy appealed and sent a sample to that ohio lab and came back clean, the sanctioning body immediately changed the rules to not allow appeals. Instead of being more transparent they closed it up even more. This isnt deep dark secrets, let the information out. Say what chemicals were found or removed. otherwise the cheater is going to keep saying it was just the soap from the carwash that busted me.

[D. Tidrow]

I don't care how well you think you know them. People (family, friends, wives, husbands, racers, etc...) do things all the time that make you question whether you really know them or not.I'm not saying they did or didn't but nobody knows for sure except for the drivers/car owners/crew chiefs. The people who are around the operation literally 24/7.

Like I said family, I was there. I will say again. Did not cheat

[formercrewguy]

Like I said family, I was there. I will say again. Did not cheat

Then YOU should have been in that appeals room providing "expert" and "personal knowlege" of the situation.

Bottom line all the samples tested were done exactly the same way. BTW, those who were busted, have been caught before.......something to consider.

[D. Tidrow]

Then YOU should have been in that appeals room providing "expert" and "personal knowlege" of the situation.Bottom line all the samples tested were done exactly the same way. BTW, those who were busted, have been caught before.......something to consider.

So you are saying Brandon Shepard, satterlee and Thornton have been caught before? I sure don't remember that?

[D. Tidrow]

They may have all cheated, but it's far from plain and simple...........

They didn't!

[NormP]

Just FYI and not directed at anyone in this thread, just something I've noticed in a couple others---

When talking about the samples it's not "chain of command." Chain of command is the leadership structure in a military or paramilitary organization.

The term some folks are looking for is "chain of custody." In other words, who in the pipeline from the hauler to the lab has had any contact at all with the samples? Who has had it in their "custody?"

In a criminal investigation, chain of custody involves documenting everyone by name, time, and date who has had any contact with the evidence at all, even if it is just delivering it from one place to another after it is sealed. A similar concept should be applied to tire testing if it isn't already.

So in a nutshell if you want to be 100% accurate, call it chain of custody, not chain of command.




Source: I've dealt with both terms personally on an almost daily basis in my profession for over 20 years.

[D. Tidrow]

Just FYI and not directed at anyone in this thread, just something I've noticed in a couple others---When talking about the samples it's not "chain of command." Chain of command is the leadership structure in a military or paramilitary organization.The term some folks are looking for is "chain of custody." In other words, who in the pipeline from the hauler to the lab has had any contact at all with the samples? Who has had it in their "custody?"In a criminal investigation, chain of custody involves documenting everyone by name, time, and date who has had any contact with the evidence at all, even if it is just delivering it from one place to another after it is sealed. A similar concept should be applied to tire testing if it isn't already. So in a nutshell if you want to be 100% accurate, call it chain of custody, not chain of command.Source: I've dealt with both terms personally on an almost daily basis in my profession for over 20 years.

Thank you norm, the only chain in command now is mr. Smithers aka Sam diggers.

[pkracer]

They said all 32 samples were taken the same way. 27 passed and 5 failed. Why is that so hard to believe? They tried to take advantage of the system and got caught, end of story.

[Racer2010]

Just saying, anyone who goes to a WoW race and says it's simple green is probably not telling the whole truth. Who in their right mind would go against the best in the business with used tires? That doesn't make sense. Why would they need to use simple green on a brand new Tire? Once again, doesn't make sense. I am against cheating up tires but I understand why people do it. This needs to be fix not a debate that takes people's lives over......... lol.

[plunks7]

I don't call anything with tires cheating. I just call it, Teams are missing the boat!!!!

[D. Tidrow]

They said all 32 samples were taken the same way. 27 passed and 5 failed. Why is that so hard to believe? They tried to take advantage of the system and got caught, end of story.

It's not the end of the story, imagine if you know for a fact the tires were not cheated

[Barbecueboy]

So you are saying Brandon Shepard, satterlee and Thornton have been caught before? I sure don't remember that?

There is a good reason that you don't remember that d tid...........

[D. Tidrow]

Just saying, anyone who goes to a WoW race and says it's simple green is probably not telling the whole truth. Who in their right mind would go against the best in the business with used tires? That doesn't make sense. Why would they need to use simple green on a brand new Tire? Once again, doesn't make sense. I am against cheating up tires but I understand why people do it. This needs to be fix not a debate that takes people's lives over......... lol.

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