Overturned!!! ---ish

[dirtdobber45]

It's not a federal crime to soak racing tires, as much as some of you would like to form a lynch mob!!!!

As many threads that have been started on this subject its worse than watergate

[RocketChassis#1]

No matter what anyone says, Eldora is UMP's/WRG's, (as long as Tony says so). sandbox. You pay the entry, you abide by the rules, no matter how flawed you think they are. Honestly, if you give them too much flak, the could tell you to not ever come back ever, and they have right to.

[plunks7]

No matter what anyone says, Eldora is UMP's/WRG's, (as long as Tony says so). sandbox. You pay the entry, you abide by the rules, no matter how flawed you think they are. Honestly, if you give them too much flak, the could tell you to not ever come back ever, and they have right to.

Go figure a guy with the name RocketChassis#1 would post this. I also seen where rocket chassis is sponsoring a series. Is this fine monies?

[slmcrewchief99]

BBQ, 1st let me apologize as it sounded like I singled you out with my last post. I didn't mean to come across that way and I should have posted it in a better manner. I am sorry.

I am actively working with a race team and do have some insight on this as with some of what I posted earlier. Most everyone thinks that a very small piece of rubber is sent to the lab and that is far from the truth. All the series that we race with (CompCams MSCCS MARS SAS) take plenty. They will have us take a grooving iron and cut all the way across 1 of the blocks on the outside row and put that in the container. Roll the tire about a 1/3rd of the way around and cut a full strip from the center block. Roll it another 1/3rd and cut a strip from the outside row on the other shoulder. They do this to make sure it isn't a tainted sample. If, and I mean "IF" you run over some spot in the pits or on the track it may only contaminate 1 spot on the tire. They have multiple samples in the case of a protest like we just had. Heck, the lab may check a portion of all 3 the 1st go round. I have no idea. I just know its not 1 small fraction the size of a pencil eraser that is obtained.

I have 1 other comment when it comes to cheating tires. EVERY team that cheats tires knows they have a 75% chance of getting away with it. Remember there are 4 tires on the car. So its pretty good odds that they still won't get caught. At the Dream they have $100000.00 reasons to try it. From what we know about Friday and Sam saying they were going to check 1 certain tire on the car, what's to say EVERYONE didn't go bolt on a cheater tire or tires on a different location than they were checking. Has anyone even thought of that? That may be why JD was laughing about it. Check my RF Sam. I'm gonna cheat my left rear. Nobody really knows now do we. We have to trust the system we have because it has worked pretty good so far. Does it need to be tweaked? Most certainly. I think it has to be done so it will keep EVERYONE from cheating tires. We can beat the he1l out of this dead horse all we want but those 5 guys AINT racing with UMP/WoO anytime soon..........

[old fan]

It's not a federal crime to soak racing tires, as much as some of you would like to form a lynch mob!!!!

Your right but it is a sanctions right , when was the last time lucasquist do a tire test

[old fan]

Go figure a guy with the name RocketChassis#1 would post this. I also seen where rocket chassis is sponsoring a series. Is this fine monies?

the truth kicks you there don't it

[Josh Bayko]

Go figure a guy with the name RocketChassis#1 would post this. I also seen where rocket chassis is sponsoring a series. Is this fine monies?

Rocket sponsors a bunch of series', and have for years, but they don't really just kick over money. Their contributions are usually gift certificates, although in some cases they have given away a bare frame.

[Barbecueboy]

BBQ, 1st let me apologize as it sounded like I singled you out with my last post. I didn't mean to come across that way and I should have posted it in a better manner. I am sorry.

I am actively working with a race team and do have some insight on this as with some of what I posted earlier. Most everyone thinks that a very small piece of rubber is sent to the lab and that is far from the truth. All the series that we race with (CompCams MSCCS MARS SAS) take plenty. They will have us take a grooving iron and cut all the way across 1 of the blocks on the outside row and put that in the container. Roll the tire about a 1/3rd of the way around and cut a full strip from the center block. Roll it another 1/3rd and cut a strip from the outside row on the other shoulder. They do this to make sure it isn't a tainted sample. If, and I mean "IF" you run over some spot in the pits or on the track it may only contaminate 1 spot on the tire. They have multiple samples in the case of a protest like we just had. Heck, the lab may check a portion of all 3 the 1st go round. I have no idea. I just know its not 1 small fraction the size of a pencil eraser that is obtained.

I have 1 other comment when it comes to cheating tires. EVERY team that cheats tires knows they have a 75% chance of getting away with it. Remember there are 4 tires on the car. So its pretty good odds that they still won't get caught. At the Dream they have $100000.00 reasons to try it. From what we know about Friday and Sam saying they were going to check 1 certain tire on the car, what's to say EVERYONE didn't go bolt on a cheater tire or tires on a different location than they were checking. Has anyone even thought of that? That may be why JD was laughing about it. Check my RF Sam. I'm gonna cheat my left rear. Nobody really knows now do we. We have to trust the system we have because it has worked pretty good so far. Does it need to be tweaked? Most certainly. I think it has to be done so it will keep EVERYONE from cheating tires. We can beat the he1l out of this dead horse all we want but those 5 guys AINT racing with UMP/WoO anytime soon..........

I didn't take it that way at all........all good on my end.

Every tire sample I've seen taken have been done in a similar manner ........and although I'm not at every single race every single night ,I have gone on the road for extended periods during the years and seen them conducted from Tampa to Busti and everywhere in between.

I guess it's the best we have right now because nobody smart enough has put their heads together to come up with something better and more foolproof, .....I certainly respect your opinion and humor and respect the fact that you take the time to share your actual experiences and insight.

So again, no worries..........

[Necrosis]

This just in, more reliable news! Bloomquist named as Donald Trump's VP choice, Owens will now be sponsored by Ambien, and Satterlee and BShepp just won a team dunk contest! Thornton, well, no idea.

[BIGSTEVE00]

I know its hard for us to believe that our favorite driver(or drivers or whoever it is) has cheated. I understand this. I'm a big BShepp fan and yes its hard for me to believe that he cheated, but they got caught red handed. Yes I'm sure there are better ways to test these tires and I do agree the results should get posted so everybody can see them and fully understand them. I'm sure a lot of race fans don't understand why these drivers even got dq'd, especially if they don't get on 4m.net and get all the experts advice, lol. But it doesn't matter what any of us fans say or do, its not going to change the outcome. I'd say there is a lot more cheating going on than what anybody knows. For some its the only way they feel they can compete with top notch teams, especially with the way JD, Bloomer and Richards has been dominating the last few years. And I'm sure the WRG takes into consideration that these cars could've drove thru something on the track, which is possible. But if these lab tests test for chemicals that are illegal and they are found in the test results then that's the final answer. Yea it sucks but if they don't do something to these drivers then before we know it everybody would be juicing their tires or whatever else they could get away with. You can't let the ones breaking the rules get by with breaking the rules. Well that's my 2cents worth. Thanks for keeping me entertained, lol. Everybody have a good and safe Holiday weekend!!! Enjoy whatever races you have going on at your local track. Be safe and Let's Go Racing!!!!!

[old fan]

is juicing the tires really need I m sure Erb 's tires were tested

[fastford]

good post big steve , i feel the same way.....