Eric Wells allowed to race after that violent crash?

[huskerdirt]

Paging Kelley Carlton......

[IZZOJR16]

I agree with WAAAC77, my wife is a Neurology Nurse Practitioner, and the checks for TBI are actually pretty easy to train first responders for. And from my experience, EMT's and Paramedics are extremely serious folks and take pride in being cautious for safety and health sake. If the on site EMT's or Paramedics gave him the pass he was probably good to go. Now, I have seen some pretty scary looking safety staff at some tracks here in Iowa that if they said I was good to go would probably call the medivac chopper because I don't think they could diagnose a dead cat.

I'm sure they do take there job very serious. I just question, how can without a doubt an EMT make sure there isn't an TBI or any other serious internal injuries? I don't know anything about EMT's, just wondering, I know a little about TBI and the effects it having/had all sports, especially with violent impacts. I know the NFL, NASCAR, MLB, NBA, most of the time will do further test JUST TO BE SAFE, since TBI has become an issue in sports.

[flagone]

There are alertness and orientation questions and tests along with vital sign and symptomatic reviews.

On my team I have 3 paramedics and 1 EMT. There are always at least 2 of them there. If they tell me they shouldn't be allowed to race I would go with their judgement.

However as someone stated we can't force anyone to do anything thereafter. We can't even force them to go to the doctor against their will. But the EMTs will require a refusal waiver to be signed if they feel they should be transported and they refuse.

[IZZOJR16]

There are alertness and orientation questions and tests along with vital sign and symptomatic reviews. On my team I have 3 paramedics and 1 EMT. There are always at least 2 of them there. If they tell me they shouldn't be allowed to race I would go with their judgement. However as someone stated we can't force anyone to do anything thereafter. We can't even force them to go to the doctor against their will. But the EMTs will require a refusal waiver to be signed if they feel they should be transported and they refuse.

thank for your reply. Do you think there should be more involvement with a racing governing bodies when it comes to making these calls, and take that call out of the drivers hands? For example a racing series could keep a driver out until he's proven by medical professionals the he's been checked for TBI and cleared to race by the medical professional/s.

[Just The Tip]

thank for your reply. Do you think there should be more involvement with a racing governing bodies when it comes to making these calls, and take that call out of the drivers hands? For example a racing series could keep a driver out until he's proven by medical professionals the he's been checked for TBI and cleared to race by the medical professional/s.

I don't know what more could be done at the race track. Sounds like after his wreck he talked with paramedics, and later on the paramedics went back to his pit area and talked with him again. They obviously felt he was good to go.

And just to your question about being cleared by medical professioanls, do you not feel licensed and trained paramedics are good enough? If not, then who pays for a visit to a medical doctor? The series, driver, track? A grown adult can always refuse further treatment with a signed waiver.

I'm not flaming you here, I'm honestly just curious what more you think could've been done in this situation. Sounds like everything worked well in this instance.

[IZZOJR16]

I don't know what more could be done at the race track. Sounds like after his wreck he talked with paramedics, and later on the paramedics went back to his pit area and talked with him again. They obviously felt he was good to go. And just to your question about being cleared by medical professioanls, do you not feel licensed and trained paramedics are good enough? If not, then who pays for a visit to a medical doctor? The series, driver, track? A grown adult can always refuse further treatment with a signed waiver. I'm not flaming you here, I'm honestly just curious what more you think could've been done in this situation. Sounds like everything worked well in this instance.

I in no way feel like you're flaming me, I'm enjoying the conversation, thank you for the reply. Yeah I'm not sure what more they could have done at the track for him either. I'm willing to bet 99% of EMT's are smart and great at their job, which is a very hard and important. that being said, I don't know if EMT''s for-certain can make sure there is or isn't a TBI injury or other internal issues. True a grown man can sign a waiver. If a driver refuses further medical care at the request of the medical team the series shouldn't let him race until he can prove he's been cleared by a legitimate doctor or specialist? As for billing, that would be tough luck for the driver, which I'm sure it has always been.

[Clayton_Wetter]

All they needed to do was just give him this simple test!!!!

[flagone]

Because our sport is how it is it would be very hard to make any mandates about things like that because drivers have so many options to race and would just go to another sanction. And while the health and well being of drivers is at the top of my and many others lists unfortunately without a unified system none of, especially on a regional level, can afford to do much more than we already do.

It is my sincere hope that a driver would be smart enough to protect themselves and others if they were compromised in any way. Guys like Randy Weaver and Chris Madden have shown the correct path and hopefully others will follow.

Now to speak to the part that bothers me most and where I think we can do the most to protect these guys. We need to mandate head and neck restraints as well as containment seats across the board. Every sanctioning body. And even that isn't enough as I believe both of those guys were wearing the H&Ns and use the seats. We need to continue to look at construction of cars and tracks. And finally we absolutely need to slow these cars down. Much of which I believe lies in doing something with shock packages to start. We have the cars so tied down on the right front - as I pointed out to someone earlier this week - the cars are about halfway turned over when they roll onto the track. But it has to be a unified deal. We all have to do it. That is where my emphasis is and will be at future meetings of the unified late model rules committee.

[Clayton_Wetter]

And there is a correct answer BTW!!!

[old fan]

all they needed to do was just give him this simple test!!!!

i see mud duck tnie and ss12 sitting in the bus

[Clayton_Wetter]

Right or left?

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

All they needed to do was just give him this simple test!!!!

CW,
Are u driving da buss?

[old fan]

Ask the libs riding it i work as drive for a living so don't need the bus they are going back to school for free don't you know

[Clayton_Wetter]

No not dat bus? SS

Doesn't anyone know which ways it's going?

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

No not dat bus? SS

Doesn't anyone know which ways it's going?

It depends on which way u turn the steering wheel mr wetter!