What will be done now?

[Mosidebite]

Listen Jerk Off, I'm not promoting anything. I was simply starting a conversation and your rediculous comments started and has now ruined another thread. Again, have a nice night ass wipe!

[sirleafalot]

not a crate fan, but if it brings people back ok,.....but ONLY if UMP actually does tech and keeps the breaks for crates in line to keep things even. Also none of the crap they are pulling in IMCA where there purposely are leaving tracks ultra try to level the playing field for the crates...

[$UMP$]

Listen Jerk Off, I'm not promoting anything. I was simply starting a conversation and your rediculous comments started and has now ruined another thread. Again, have a nice night ass wipe!

You're just another crate wannabe! LOL

[buzzxxx666]

You're just another crate wannabe! LOL

you have yet to proved a single shred of evidence that you race anywhere, and YES you need to prove it because NO ONE, not one single sole on this board believes it for one tiny second.
All we know is that you know too much about working at BK and that you crew for the 36L. Until then no one cares what lies you have to offer about UMP or crates.

Crates racers can easily out run a crew person for the 36L that does not have a car.

[old fan]

but atleast he crews , not everybody can own or drive a race car just saying . everybody has their place in this sport but we all ove the sport don't we

[TurnerMotorsports]

crates are an option yes for smaller tracks that are of the same conditions as east bay that night . that said however, do you really think a crate will compete at eldora with an open motor even if it is slick .. NO>.. a 5" spoiler or not it would be lapped quickly. I hope they allow crates with spoilers to bring some folks back, on certain smaller tracks with the right conditions they will win , but for most the larger paying UMP races like Eldora summer nats/winter nats , Florence 5k, Lburg 8k, and fairbury 10k Ill stick with the open motor thanks ..

[HEAVY DUTY]

Like Turner said, it was the perfect situation. There are some small slick tracks that they will win at. They wont win at big tracks where you need to turn a lot of RPMs slick or tacky. East Bay was slick, and had bite on the bottom. If you watched the in car video, you would see that the reason he pulled the guys off the corner was , he didn't jump in the throttle as early, and let the car rotate before he got in the throttle. The guys he was passing was getting in the throttle to early, causing them to skate out in to the slick. A crate motor in the tack will pull an open motor in the slick. He also didn't over drive the corners, where he could stay in the tack. That probably was because he wasn't making so much straightaway speed, and was able to get slowed down on corner entry without sliding the car. When you have a 750hp motor and the track can only hook 400, the crate can beat you. If you have a track than can hook up 750hp, the crate will be lapped traffic. If you run a crate, you have to choose your tracks wisely. The reason they work so well in IMCA, is because you have a tire that will only hook up 400hp at most places. Add the small spoiler, and the lighter weight of the crate motor and it is a no brainer.

[sirleafalot]

well said Donnie. Yes the crates do well in IMCA because of the tire, but thats not all, the promoters and IMCA are helping things out by keeping tracks dry, and there is rampant cheating going on with crates as well because they are not being teched because they have a "sealed" crate.

[MotoMatt]

well said Donnie. Yes the crates do well in IMCA because of the tire, but thats not all, the promoters and IMCA are helping things out by keeping tracks dry, and there is rampant cheating going on with crates as well because they are not being teched because they have a "sealed" crate.

Not all the tracks are pushing for a dry slick, Boone for example is afraid to do so...and crates still win plenty there.

The tech issue is real. These big crate sellers may not come out and say it but you bet for the right money they will put whatever you want under those seals.

[buzzxxx666]

pay no mind to SCD he is on the CRATES will save the world and fix global warming payroll, he is all things crates and according to him and the rest of the CRATE huggers there is absolutely NO cheating going on in the crates, all crate engines are hermeticly sealed and are NEVER cheated up.
Of course of if you believe that no one is cheating up crates then I have bridge to sell you, and btw the easter bunny, santa claus and the great pumpkin all agreed there is no cheating with the crate engines.

[modracr41]

Wheres that at?

IMCA tracks all over pretty much rained out april and may last year and when we did get to race weekly shows weren't dry at the tracks I went to.

Fairmont, MN, and Jackson, MN for 2 places. I heard this from the Promoter's mouth that IMCA encouraged tracks to let them slick off to give the Crate cars a chance, so take your BS somewhere else. We had a Crate driver who was teched and his car turned over 7500! He claimed he had a faulty MSD box, and they didn't DQ him. They allowed him to change the box and start scratch at the rear of the feature, and get paid!! Your theory of no cheating in Crate land is like putting your head in the sand so you can't see it. It doesn't mean it's not happening.

[buzzxxx666]

Yeah pay no mind to me, I post with FACTS. This thread is about mike v who ran a crate at a ump race with a 5" spoiler against cars without one. FACTS are if anyone wanted they could buy mikes crate any time from him, he has paid staff who work on his car all of his stuff is always for sale. Another crate finished top 3 with a 5 inch blade on another night is my understanding.

Where are all the cheated crates being caught at? Post some FACTS here why don't you.

I ran a open and a crate last season almost exactly 50-50 split. I hate the crate and will be running my open again this year hopefully more.

Its called racing, if one option is faster than the other that's the one I will hopefully have in my car on that night, its not rocket science.

Why would anyone want to cheat the crate internally? We are allowed open engines if you want more power than the crate a simple vortec head 383 will provide it and weigh within 30#.....

cheated up crates caught ??? does not happen because promoters wont check a crate because they are sealed...meanwhile they can do whatever they want and no one questions it. Then we get to hear from crate huggers like you telling us how mighty the crates are and how they are saving the world and fixing world hunger. if the crates are so awesome then great they can compete weekly with NO rule breaks and the track prepped the same as any other week and lets see how mighty they are then.

[sirleafalot]

Is modracer and sirleafalot the same person? I quoted sir and mod is replying maybe you forgot to log in out?I raced at Jackson it was heavy all night... It was a big special so it should have been easy to make the track dry if they wanted. big cushion and a lane of tacky on the bottom. I was told it had that tacky lane ALL season because of the new way the cut the track and banked it down there. over 7500, lol that wouldn't last long or go any place. I didn't say there is no cheating they caught a bunch of cheated msd boxes, that's common knowledge.

Beg to differ SCD my name is Graham and I race FALS speedway in IL feel free to look me up. I will let mod41 post for himself and on his own not my circus or monkeys. I have never ran in MN and have no idea wth is going up there.however I dislike crates as much as anyone, and I have grown tired of the push for crates. UMP is screwing themselves right now in the Bmod class because they are ONLY crates, and they are losing tracks because of it.

[old fan]

Beg to differ SCD my name is Graham and I race FALS speedway in IL feel free to look me up. I will let mod41 post for himself and on his own not my circus or monkeys. I have never ran in MN and have no idea wth is going up there.however I dislike crates as much as anyone, and I have grown tired of the push for crates. UMP is screwing themselves right now in the Bmod class because they are ONLY crates, and they are losing tracks because of it.

not correct right now crates are and option and not a bad option last year the national champ ran a crate and yes they lost one track which hit that track witha another track with UMP talking about changing nights best of luck to all

[sirleafalot]

not correct right now crates are and option and not a bad option last year the national champ ran a crate and yes they lost one track which hit that track witha another track with UMP talking about changing nights best of luck to all

oldfan..here are the rules right from UMP's siteDIRTcar UMP Pro-Modified Engines);A,) The Chevrolet Performance Parts 602 engine (GM Part Number – 88958602) will be the only engine permitted for competition. (seeG, below) All engines are to remain sealed from the factory. The original factory seals must remain unaltered, tampering, removal,modifications of any type and/or broken factory seals will not be permitted. (The Chevrolet Performance Parts 602 crate engine mayhave part number changes from time-to-time as issued by the manufacturer.)These are the 2016 rules. I have heard UMP may back off on this because so many people are complaining, but rules clearly state only crates.