route 45

[old fan]

really no tech seen at least 4 Friday night and sat night the track did tech but carry on ad better check the car count between the three tracks lol yeah it was kinda off night only 91 cars sat night and 58 in 2 classes the night before

[buzzxxx666]

really no tech seen at least 4 Friday night and sat night the track did tech but carry on ad better check the car count between the three tracks lol yeah it was kinda off night only 91 cars sat night and 58 in 2 classes the night before

I never said one thing about car counts. Of course you pick the one bright spot in your back yard and brag about car counts.

usra does actual tech and if will take some getting used to, but better than ump which would not know tech if it bit them.

[DirtDirtCrazy]

When Route 45 announced their deal with USRA, there were a lot of folks that said that it would be easy for the UMP guys to switch to USRA rules. Therefore I am kind of surprised they did not have a bigger car count for $5,000 to win. In addition, Fayette County, Charleston, and Macon all had B Mods on the same night. Also I believe Highland also runs them. In fact, Fayette Co had 20 B-Mods in their feature on just a regular night of racing. Charleston had 10 and Macon had 12. (not sure about Highland) I would have thought if it was easy to run USRA, some of those guys would have went to Route 45 for that kind of payday.

One thing to consider is that it is early in the season. A lot of these B-Mod guys still have a supply of Hoosier Tires. Perhaps switching to the American Racing Tire is not in their budgets. So many guys run on a week to week status. Changing out that many tires at once may too costly.

[kidrock]

Anytime you start something new it takes a while to build. Like some have said they were only getting around 10 or so cars last year. Now with them switching to USRA its going to take awhile. Like they said from the beginning it may work and it may not but, they weren't out anything by giving it a try.

Not sure what kind of advertising they did for the 5,000 to win race but, you would have thought they would have had more cars then they did.

[old fan]

Yeah having pump gas be illegal gas

[buzzxxx666]

Yeah having pump gas be illegal gas

the valve springs illegal as well. I know thats tough for you to fathom, because you know you being a big time UMP guy they would not even bother to pull the valve covers to look much less the hood.

[old fan]

the valve springs maybe yep lets run crappy valve springs with high priced racing gas yeah that will save the racer money if you think he because of those issues I got a bridge to sell you

[old fan]

from and old krusty racer where are the B mod guys supposed to buy fuel?? I thought the idea of running a crate motor was to lower the overall cost by having a motor that would perform well on pump gas.. I run a mix of racing gas and 93 BP gas .. where can LEGAL pump gas be had??

[kidrock]

I know a guy that ran the crate late model and ran pump gas every week.

[old fan]

exactly but not with usra they want you to run race gas how is that saving the lil guy money the I was told from another of b mod guys that why they run the crate engine easier on the pocket book

[Cooter Davenport]

the valve springs maybe yep lets run crappy valve springs with high priced racing gas yeah that will save the racer money if you think he because of those issues I got a bridge to sell you

Not taking anything away from Eilers knowledge or talent, but....

With that being said, a racer with his experience knows the rules. Like you said yourself Fred, he is just to good not to know the rules. He was caught with illegal lower A-arms at a big show last fall, and now he was caught with illegal valve springs in a crate motor. Anyone with any experience with crates knows that stronger valve springs will give you a performance advantage.

Most all racers play dumb when they get caught....

[buzzxxx666]

exactly but not with usra they want you to run race gas how is that saving the lil guy money the I was told from another of b mod guys that why they run the crate engine easier on the pocket book

rules are rules, I realize in UMP, rules are just suggestions but that is not the case with other sanctions. You can cry about it after the fact but that dont change the rules. If the rule says you must run cooking oil then get to IGA and run it. The rules were known well before the event and YES illegal valve springs will indeed help a crate.

[old fan]

really I saw tech guys by the scales Friday night and every night sportsman and b mods get torn , sure it valve spring will help a great but shouldn't an open motor be a lot more stronger if you think the valve spring made the winner win by that much got a a bridge to sell you those guys all three guys are that good and come prepared I've seen those guys win with a crate motor in sportsman running against 400 s with 4 barrel and they were running with a 2 barrel nd boy usra is for the lil guy gotta run Sunoco gas you can't run 93 octanr oh he11 no even though that's what the motor requires

[old fan]

Not taking anything away from Eilers knowledge or talent, but....With that being said, a racer with his experience knows the rules. Like you said yourself Fred, he is just to good not to know the rules. He was caught with illegal lower A-arms at a big show last fall, and now he was caught with illegal valve springs in a crate motor. Anyone with any experience with crates knows that stronger valve springs will give you a performance advantage. Most all racers play dumb when they get caught....

but a half track advantage running against open motors

[old fan]

3 rules that should count the most safety safety safety