FALS Sprint Mania 10/5 and 10/6 Rained Out

[CIRF]

You need to relax. I am no longer affiliated with FALS in ANY way. There was a time I was and at that time I defended the decisions made because I had a part in making them and knew what was behind them. That is no longer the case.

It is not a "sacred cow" to me. I have disagreed with many things since my departure and it's been hard to keep my mouth shut, but for the most part I have.

In this case, I agree with you that FALS "stepped in it". There was NO reason to make up an excuse related to weather. Just call a spade a spade and tell people the reason. I still don't know the full reasoning. I simply could not sit back and let the series appear to be totally innocent when I had knowledge that it owed money from last year. Again, I don't know that the money was any more the reason than the weather, but I know what I would have done.

I cannot prove this to you like you want. All I can say is that my source is directly involved and I do not wish to get said source into trouble.

Whether or not you believe me is irrelevant to me. I know what I know. That's enough for me.

Ya' can't/won't prove anything, ya' can't/won't name the sanction that is in financial arrears to Fairbury, BUT, you have a highly credible anonymous source who desperately wishes to stay anonymous. Sounds like someone needs to grow a set on behalf of FALS! LOLOL!!

Why would the FALS brain trust schedule a sanction that owes them money from a show in 2017...................AGAIN................ then cancel the show they should never have scheduled in the first place partially because this phantom sanction allegedly owes them money. Does anyone else think FALS maybe shouldn't have rescheduled a dead beat sanction?

And in cancelling they fail to let Casey Shuman know and they put him in a huge bind. Sounds like a horse **** deal and stupidity working in unison.

What is it that you want me, or anyone else to believe? You're not offering anything but bull****.

You know what you know but shhhhhh, you mustn't tell. Sure am glad it's irrelevant whether anyone believes you or not 'cause it's a safe bet no one does, for sure I don't.

It's good that you cleared the air and set the record straight once and for all! Don't know what we'd do without your insightful and informative explanation! LOL!!

[CageFaraday]

Is FALS falling on hard times?

You need to relax. I am no longer affiliated with FALS in ANY way. There was a time I was and at that time I defended the decisions made because I had a part in making them and knew what was behind them. That is no longer the case.

It is not a "sacred cow" to me. I have disagreed with many things since my departure and it's been hard to keep my mouth shut, but for the most part I have.

In this case, I agree with you that FALS "stepped in it". There was NO reason to make up an excuse related to weather. Just call a spade a spade and tell people the reason. I still don't know the full reasoning. I simply could not sit back and let the series appear to be totally innocent when I had knowledge that it owed money from last year. Again, I don't know that the money was any more the reason than the weather, but I know what I would have done.

I cannot prove this to you like you want. All I can say is that my source is directly involved and I do not wish to get said source into trouble.

Whether or not you believe me is irrelevant to me. I know what I know. That's enough for me.

I call BS, nobody would schedule "another" event if they were still owed money. Then to follow that up with a lie 2 weeks out is ridiculous. New management at FALS obviously isn't on par with previous regimes. I think the "New" group is probably thin on money of its own and are scrambling to hang on. Then they leak a little info to an "Ex" to disseminate on message boards/social media in a passive/aggressive attempt to save face. I think they're financial house must be shaky and they haven't made as much money as they had imagined they would running FALS so they cook up a flimsy transparent excuse 2 weeks ahead to escape having their financial situation become known. Just a theory since I don't know anyone at the track, but that is how things go. Tracks/Promoters pay sanctions, not the other way around, period.

[CIRF]

I call BS, nobody would schedule "another" event if they were still owed money. Then to follow that up with a lie 2 weeks out is ridiculous. New management at FALS obviously isn't on par with previous regimes. I think the "New" group is probably thin on money of its own and are scrambling to hang on. Then they leak a little info to an "Ex" to disseminate on message boards/social media in a passive/aggressive attempt to save face. I think they're financial house must be shaky and they haven't made as much money as they had imagined they would running FALS so they cook up a flimsy transparent excuse 2 weeks ahead to escape having their financial situation become known. Just a theory since I don't know anyone at the track, but that is how things go. Tracks/Promoters pay sanctions, not the other way around, period.

I agree 100% with everything you said, Cage. Everything except the part about FALS having a financial "situation". I have no way of knowing for sure but I attend a lot of races at FALS during the course of the racing season and FALS is a veritable cash cow. They host the biggest dirt late model race in the state of Illinois and they pack the place for the UMP Summernats and for a couple of mortified specials.

[CageFaraday]

I agree 100% with everything you said, Cage. Everything except the part about FALS having a financial "situation". I have no way of knowing for sure but I attend a lot of races at FALS during the course of the racing season and FALS is a veritable cash cow. They host the biggest dirt late model race in the state of Illinois and they pack the place for the UMP Summernats and for a couple of mortified specials.

I agree they make the ca$h, but what has management done with it? May just be greed towards end of season. Might be they see the WAR race as not as a big a money maker and wanted out of any financial obligation/risk. Their behavior speaks volumes to those of us with experience. Hey, did you see where Southern States POWRi Midgets is putting on a non-wing sprint show here in Georgia in November!!! I'm ecstatic, suppose to be a new series too in 2019!!

[CIRF]

I agree they make the ca$h, but what has management done with it? May just be greed towards end of season. Might be they see the WAR race as not as a big a money maker and wanted out of any financial obligation/risk. Their behavior speaks volumes to those of us with experience. Hey, did you see where Southern States POWRi Midgets is putting on a non-wing sprint show here in Georgia in November!!! I'm ecstatic, suppose to be a new series too in 2019!!

That's great news, Cage. Will this be a WAR show?

Are there enough wingless sprint cars in the State of Georgia to get a good field of cars? That's some pretty solid stock car country down there.

[CageFaraday]

That's great news, Cage. Will this be a WAR show?

Are there enough wingless sprint cars in the State of Georgia to get a good field of cars? That's some pretty solid stock car country down there.

No its part of the POWRi Southern States D2 Midget tour. Wayne Davis who Owns/Operates SS-Midgets is adding Non-wing sprints to his group for this special event and then building a schedule for them in 2019. The rules sound the same as WAR/ELITE, but I don't know that for sure.

http://www.ssmidgets.com/sprint-car-rules.html

[kidrock]

Ya' can't/won't prove anything, ya' can't/won't name the sanction that is in financial arrears to Fairbury, BUT, you have a highly credible anonymous source who desperately wishes to stay anonymous. Sounds like someone needs to grow a set on behalf of FALS! LOLOL!!

Why would the FALS brain trust schedule a sanction that owes them money from a show in 2017...................AGAIN................ then cancel the show they should never have scheduled in the first place partially because this phantom sanction allegedly owes them money. Does anyone else think FALS maybe shouldn't have rescheduled a dead beat sanction?

And in cancelling they fail to let Casey Shuman know and they put him in a huge bind. Sounds like a horse **** deal and stupidity working in unison.

What is it that you want me, or anyone else to believe? You're not offering anything but bull****.

You know what you know but shhhhhh, you mustn't tell. Sure am glad it's irrelevant whether anyone believes you or not 'cause it's a safe bet no one does, for sure I don't.

It's good that you cleared the air and set the record straight once and for all! Don't know what we'd do without your insightful and informative explanation! LOL!!

I have never heard of a sanction body paying the track to race there but, I sure have heard the track paying the sanction body so, this would be a first that I have heard of but, Skids usually is a straight shooter so, not sure what to believe here.

[CIRF]

I have never heard of a sanction body paying the track to race there but, I sure have heard the track paying the sanction body so, this would be a first that I have heard of but, Skids usually is a straight shooter so, not sure what to believe here.

Kid, I'm with you on the sanction paying the track being a bit hard to believe. That situation seems out of the ordinary, but then again I've never promoted a racing event. That information was not offered by Fairbury in any official capacity. It was brought up by people who know people, who know people who said..............You know how that goes so unless we see some proof from people like ol' skids, who doesn't care if any of us believe him or not but he knows it's true, LOL, then I for one will consider that to be just idle hearsay.

This whole affair seems very, very sophomoric on FALS part. I'm betting that prospective open wheel sanctions will be very wary of FALS in the future. No matter what happens going forward from here FALS has taken a huge hit in the area of credibility. I have many friends over in Indiana that know little about FALS and they're totally baffled with this turn of events. I've got egg on my face since I've bragged up FALS to them for several years now and boasted how great it would be if some open wheel events would become part of FALS schedule. The less than acceptable track conditions for the WoO sprint cars and now this debacle has not endeared me to my Hoosier friends! LOL!!

I'll not be nearly as enthusiastic about bragging about FALS in the future, that's for sure.

[kidrock]

Kid, I'm with you on the sanction paying the track being a bit hard to believe. That situation seems out of the ordinary, but then again I've never promoted a racing event. That information was not offered by Fairbury in any official capacity. It was brought up by people who know people, who know people who said..............You know how that goes so unless we see some proof from people like ol' skids, who doesn't care if any of us believe him or not but he knows it's true, LOL, then I for one will consider that to be just idle hearsay.

This whole affair seems very, very sophomoric on FALS part. I'm betting that prospective open wheel sanctions will be very wary of FALS in the future. No matter what happens going forward from here FALS has taken a huge hit in the area of credibility. I have many friends over in Indiana that know little about FALS and they're totally baffled with this turn of events. I've got egg on my face since I've bragged up FALS to them for several years now and boasted how great it would be if some open wheel events would become part of FALS schedule. The less than acceptable track conditions for the WoO sprint cars and now this debacle has not endeared me to my Hoosier friends! LOL!!

I'll not be nearly as enthusiastic about bragging about FALS in the future, that's for sure.

Yes I would be very apprehensive to schedule another race with FALS if I owned a sprint car sanction. FALS is primarily a late model track as far as your top class goes as you know so, no love for the sprint car divisions in my opinion at FALS and I'm not faulting them for that. It's just the way it is.

[CIRF]

Yes I would be very apprehensive to schedule another race with FALS if I owned a sprint car sanction. FALS is primarily a late model track as far as your top class goes as you know so, no love for the sprint car divisions in my opinion at FALS and I'm not faulting them for that. It's just the way it is.

You're exactly correct, Kid. FALS bread and butter is dirt late models and naturally they're going to give their best effort and most ethical dealings to their primary DLM sanctions. Can't really fault them for that but from strictly an uninformed spectator point of view it seems very unseemly to cancel based upon the fact that the track is owed money by one of the sanctions scheduled and then blatantly lie about it to attempt to save face. The moral of the story? Don't schedule outfits that owe you money for over a year.

At least it wasn't the WAR series that owes FALS the money. Casey Shuman said so on the FALS Facebook page and I have unwavering faith in Casey's word.

There are people that have admitted that they're involved with the operation of FALS on the FALS Facebook page that are very busy defending the indefensible. One of these people in particular seems to be very forthright and apologetic but has very little to work with in FALS defense except to urge spectators and open wheel competitors alike to forgive them and give them another chance. Feel sorry for those folks.

[CageFaraday]

You're exactly correct, Kid. FALS bread and butter is dirt late models and naturally they're going to give their best effort and most ethical dealings to their primary DLM sanctions. Can't really fault them for that but from strictly an uninformed spectator point of view it seems very unseemly to cancel based upon the fact that the track is owed money by one of the sanctions scheduled and then blatantly lie about it to attempt to save face. The moral of the story? Don't schedule outfits that owe you money for over a year.

At least it wasn't the WAR series that owes FALS the money. Casey Shuman said so on the FALS Facebook page and I have unwavering faith in Casey's word.

There are people that have admitted that they're involved with the operation of FALS on the FALS Facebook page that are very busy defending the indefensible. One of these people in particular seems to be very forthright and apologetic but has very little to work with in FALS defense except to urge spectators and open wheel competitors alike to forgive them and give them another chance. Feel sorry for those folks.

Uhhh, so let me get this straight:

First, it was called on account of rain 2 weeks out.
Second, no its because the "Sanction" owes us money.
Third, no wait its not that its that we like DLM's and don't think the sprints will support us.
Fourth, no it is that we are owed money but its somebody else, not WAR...
Fifth, we're not sure why we canceled but we love race fans, please trust us.

I think this is the, "Web" they warn about when you start trying to deceive folks. I've seen politicians that were better at handling the truth when they're caught nude in a motel room with a midget and a donkey. This is why I'm not going to vote anymore, truth, integrity and honesty are foreign concepts anymore. I for one wouldn't plan anything involving FALS at this point. They obviously have no character and are willing to say or do anything. They are now crossed out and NOT checked off my bucket list. Moving on.

As a side note, 76 Sprints showed up on a, "Friday Night" at Jacksonville Speedway (42 Non-wing) for the rescheduled event. I'm pretty sure they didn't get that many DLM's for the PDC, only 65 in 2017... Just sayin'

https://www.onedirt.com/event-coverage/simon-outlasts-meseruall-and-darland-in-jacksonville-thriller/

[CIRF]

Uhhh, so let me get this straight:

First, it was called on account of rain 2 weeks out.
Second, no its because the "Sanction" owes us money.
Third, no wait its not that its that we like DLM's and don't think the sprints will support us.
Fourth, no it is that we are owed money but its somebody else, not WAR...
Fifth, we're not sure why we canceled but we love race fans, please trust us.

I think this is the, "Web" they warn about when you start trying to deceive folks. I've seen politicians that were better at handling the truth when they're caught nude in a motel room with a midget and a donkey. This is why I'm not going to vote anymore, truth, integrity and honesty are foreign concepts anymore. I for one wouldn't plan anything involving FALS at this point. They obviously have no character and are willing to say or do anything. They are now crossed out and NOT checked off my bucket list. Moving on.

As a side note, 76 Sprints showed up on a, "Friday Night" at Jacksonville Speedway (42 Non-wing) for the rescheduled event. I'm pretty sure they didn't get that many DLM's for the PDC, only 65 in 2017... Just sayin'

https://www.onedirt.com/event-covera...ille-thriller/

Yep, you got the FALS talking points down pretty well, Cage.

I feel pretty much the same as you do Cage, in reference to what you say about not being able to trust FALS, and I live close enough to Fairbury that I regard FALS as my home track. That said, it will take a special attraction to lure us to an open wheel event there. The WoO sprint cars at FALS were a bore this past season. The only thing relatively exciting was watching Kyle Larson and a young kid from Ohio, I think, scorch the overall track record. Other than that the A-main was a choo-choo from about lap 10 on and their push truck organization was atrocious!! I will probably attend a couple of the mud cab races there throughout the season since that is their preferred genre' and that's where most of their focus and effort seems to go.

It's really sad from our perspective. A good track as close to us as FALS finally gets a foothold on running some quality open wheel sanctions and events and they totally piss away any goodwill they'd built up from the open wheel community and they're followers. I have a buddy who lives out in central Missouri who's been laughing like hell ever since this all came to pass. He'd heard all the over cooked hype about FALS and believed it...........till now.

[Midwest Racer Online]

Not trying to stir stuff up, but the real problem lies with the sanction body that stiffed the track out of money if thats true, Why don't you do some investigating and contact the sanctions involved and figure out who it is? I'm only assuming the sanction collected entry fees at driver registration the year prior as one of the few ways they would owe a track unless they collected sponsor money that was supposed to go to the track. The other issue would be that the drivers elected to attend a race that had just recently been put on a schedule. You guys are hung up on the story they came up with ( which was not a good reason ) but I really think you need to redirect your anti- trust issues.

[kidrock]

Not trying to stir stuff up, but the real problem lies with the sanction body that stiffed the track out of money if thats true, Why don't you do some investigating and contact the sanctions involved and figure out who it is? I'm only assuming the sanction collected entry fees at driver registration the year prior as one of the few ways they would owe a track unless they collected sponsor money that was supposed to go to the track. The other issue would be that the drivers elected to attend a race that had just recently been put on a schedule. You guys are hung up on the story they came up with ( which was not a good reason ) but I really think you need to redirect your anti- trust issues.

Same here not trying to stir the pot but, if the real problem is with the sanctioning body and it's not with War Sanctioning body then why would you cancel their race. Doesn't make much sense to me. I have my suspicions on what went on here but, will keep them to myself because there probably not right in the first place.

[CIRF]

Not trying to stir stuff up, but the real problem lies with the sanction body that stiffed the track out of money if thats true, Why don't you do some investigating and contact the sanctions involved and figure out who it is? I'm only assuming the sanction collected entry fees at driver registration the year prior as one of the few ways they would owe a track unless they collected sponsor money that was supposed to go to the track. The other issue would be that the drivers elected to attend a race that had just recently been put on a schedule. You guys are hung up on the story they came up with ( which was not a good reason ) but I really think you need to redirect your anti- trust issues.

MRO, personally I'm only really concerned with the wingless divisions that were included in the Sprint Mania deal. Casey Shuman is a stand up guy and has aptly handled the advancement of the WAR series from it's infancy. I will take his word implicitly and recommend you do, too. Casey was taken completely by surprise and got word of the cancellation, not directly from FALS, but from social media. The nameless FALS spokesman on their Facebook page is on record stating that Kenny Brown (Brown is the head man at POWRi) was in the loop so that lets FALS off the hook as far as how they treated Casey.

Who is to blame for scheduling a deadbeat sanction that doesn't fulfill their obligations? The blame is clearly at the feet of FALS. I've been in business for around 2 decades and if someone owes me money I'm not at all interested in continued business dealings until the ledger has been balanced. Is there not reason to question FALS business practices when they once again schedule an entity that owes them money? I think so, don't you?

Our trust issues? Hmmm. The trust issues are the result of the underhanded manner in which FALS handled this whole deal starting with scheduling a sanction that owes them money and ended with them having to admit they lied to the competitors, the fans and Casey Shuman. If FALS is worthy of anyone's trust then it needs to be clearly explained as to the reasons why.