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I would not get out of a electric chair to ride to get in that thing..plus finding out the recomended ride heights is going to be difficult plus all before mentioned issues.
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Gentlemen, gentlemen, please!! YES - it IS a pavement car....and yes, I plan to run it on pavement. I realize that this is a dirt forum (of sorts), but that doesn't mean I can't glean engine, transmission rearend, and other information from you guys! I mean, c'mon y'all - we're ALL racers here.....aren't we? Besides - I don't ever remember seeing a PAVEMENT forum anywhere on the web, so I'm here trying to learn. Okay?
Now, with that said, my question is this..... what makes you guys think that this chassis CANNOT be competitive, other than the weight thing? I have been getting some things together such as hubs, rotors, calipers, etc, and as far as I can see there is nothing on THIS chassis that I haven't seen on any of the other pavement cars we have at our local tracks. I've been taking pictures too, so I have some kind of idea about what the setup SHOULD look. A lotta stuff has changed since I last worked on any of this stuff - hell, the last "tube chassis" car I had anything to do with was back around 1984 (yeah man - I'm an old dude!!) So, provided we get the weight down and make horsepower and this old car is straight, why won't it go fast and turn left? Please tell me - I'm all ears......Comment
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I would be concerned with the front end geometry. Alot has changed since that car was built/ ran. That firewall forward is everything. Do a lot of research on what is on the car now and what can be up dated. All the pickup points are important.Originally posted by nissanguy View PostGator EngineeringComment
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I run dirt and this is a dirt forum(mainly). But I run asphalt as much or really more than dirt. I run 2 super competitive classes with one car and help many other teams large and small. My last race (Great American Stocks...super stock) paid off mostly in part to Bill Kimmel and his son Will running my pit! I dropped that name to show that I am no newby to blacktop!
I gotta tell ya.....these guys are right! Its not about whether or not it can be fast. I know it can. And to be honest the last late model race at my local track was sparse with good cars. Some was older but not this old! You can fix the geometry and update everything. You can put it on a monster diet and can get the weight down too. Change it all up and make it work.
But there are some stuff that does matter. One is the fact that when you get the weight down it still will be in the wrong places. And weight placement is huge and asphalt. On dirt as I am learning you want the weight higher. Not for asphalt.
Safety is an issue with me as well. It would need to be tested to check the thickness of all the bars. Some places may have rust inside you can't see. Most tracks and sanctioning bodies are calling for large and heavy door plates. That also applies above too. Is your weight reduction gonna allow it to stay safe?
All of this is fixable and like I said before you can be fast. The biggest problem lies in cost. The time and money you will have to spend to do this will far outweigh the price of a used chassis that is new enough to use as is. The headaches and blood, sweat, and tears would be better spent elsewhere.
If you decide to continue I wish ya luck and will help all I can. I am just learning how to setup my mod on dirt and this forum and most in it have helped a TON! But asphalt I know fairly well. PM me or whatever and I will be handy. Have fun whatever you do, Junior Payton.Last edited by racer69; 11-21-2012, 08:04 PM.Comment
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Okay - here's a little update...
We scaled the bare chassis, just as it sat in the shop, no engine, trans, rear end or shocks / springs. The chassis weighed in at 1004 lbs just as you all saw it. My question for you guys is this:
Does anybody know what a MODERN late model chassis will weigh in at as a roller with a quick change in it?Comment
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I don't know what a roller weighs but my 2011 Rocket Blue front weighed in at right around 525-575lbs bare frame I believe. Given that a QC doesnt weigh all that much, neither does the front end stuff, I'm going to put a rough guess of 850lbs. That would be a bare chassis with the front and rear suspension in.Comment
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My guess on the weight of a roller (complete car minus engine, transmission, oil system, driver, and all fluids including fuel) is 1200-1500 pounds depending on components used.Comment
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build it,..have fun,..an learn all you can,...them bars dont know what name thay were giving,..or how old thay are,..youll probably end up crashing it out in a learning experience any way,..then you can take what you learned an any salvageable parts an apply it to a better chassis,..some these guys on here would talk down a bloomer chassis!!white trash motorsportsComment
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racing is a big learning experiment....just have fun and think the whole picture...front end geometry,weight placement, etc....just remember to think and take good notes......have funComment
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