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Since it's a hot topic. We all know it happens and at ALOT of tracks its still legal. Most guys who use soak don't get "Name Brand" aka hotlap etc. So what are guys using? Special forumals or cutting name brand stuff. Go Kart Stuff? I doubt this will get many hits besides the usual we don't use it and its dangerous (it is) but it's still legal in alot of places and can be a deal breaker. So anyone want to discuss this?
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You had to know this was coming:
Ask bobby....
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Sadly I agree with his statement. If it's the lab who I think tested it. Had a buddy get popped and I saw him take the tire off the truck that night cut it and mount it. It might be expensive but they need to take a few samples, save them. Have an appeals panel like Nascar does even for local and regional tracks we have an appeals panel and have a secondary lab test them for appeals. I know what he's talking about has happened first hand now I won't comment on his case at all. But that being said how should I soak my tires if its legal HAHA
Originally posted by billetbirdcage View PostComment
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For starters they need to clear up some things:
1. If you went directly to Hoosier manufacturing plant and randomly took 100 tires and tested them would all 100 meet the benchmark?
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A. If it doesn't we have a problem with manufacturing consistency or with the testing
B. If it does, then we need to look at shipping and handling of the tires between then and when the teams can get said tires.
3. If shipping and handling seems to be an issue and possible way of contamination, then the tires need to be sealed in a bag before leaving the plant
4. If manufacturing seems to be an issue then before sealing the tire, it should have a sample taken and kept at Hoosier.
SHRUGSLast edited by billetbirdcage; 06-19-2018, 04:04 PM.Comment
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Yeah I worked as a machinist for a company that did firestone tire molds and from my understanding and why he put the date code and mold number was no accident. Different runs can vary in the stuff used to make the tire. Benchmark profiles are sent in by the manufacturer and this was also from what I understand to be some of the other drivers popped argument basis is tires that are older and from different batches might not be to the same benchmark....why they can't test for specific chemicals and levels i'm not sure but maybe they do...... I know you are supposed to use a different blade for each sample you take for each persons tire to if you do one RR it should be two blades for samples A and a different one for sample B. Cross contamination could easily happen....
Originally posted by billetbirdcage View PostComment
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You can tell when they are actually testing tires and not taking samples just for show:
Example: Won a big show, they came over to take samples of LR tire.
1. They got one crew member and driver to come over to car and watch the whole process.
2. They had us remove tire from car
3. Tech put on new rubber gloves
4. They took out a razor knife and installed a new blade they cleaned with alcohol, made us watch it
5. Cut out 2 squares of the tire
6. put samples in new plastic zip lock bags and labeled bags sample A and B
7. made both the driver and crew sign the labels on bags
8. put each bag in separate glass container and installed seal/label on lid (tamper label have to break to get into container)
9. Both had to sign the tamper seal again
Another show: 2 day show with heats one day and features the next. We won 1st heat race, weighted and went back to pits and parked. 6 heat races, was least 30 minutes after we won 1st heat race that the 6th was finished. I had already taken off the tires and driver put back into trailer. They take samples of all heat race winners and we were the last one they got them from.
1. They came over and said we need a LR sample
2. Car was on jacks and not rear tires on car
3. I told them ok, ask driver because I don't know where he put it in trailer
4. asks driver and he tells him, this one here
5. They take a grooving iron with a #4 blade and just take a swipe out of LR tire
6. No cleaning of tire, iron or anything
7. Puts the sample in a bag with the other 5 samples
8. all 6 are in a bag with no way to tell who's is who's
9. Me and driver laughed after tech guy left
10. won feature next night and they did the same thing
11. I could have told them any tire I wanted to take the sample from
Shakes head.....These were 7500.00 and 12,000.00 to win showsLast edited by billetbirdcage; 06-19-2018, 04:39 PM.Comment
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I think alot of tracks and Lower series are doing that to give the perception they are having them tested. Scare tactic i guess. We all know the average promoter is not gonna shell out money for tire testingComment
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I enjoy this part of the conversation but the other half of this is to discuss soak itself so what are most guys using? Name brand or what? Feel free to PM me if you don't want it out there? Its legal at 90% of the tracks my way. Not saying i'll use it but i want to understand it more.Comment
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the karting guys are a good source for this type of information. Some even have experience with sprint and late model tires.
Here is a basic primer to get you started.
A call or email to this guy will get you headed in that direction.Comment
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I know a guy........!!! lol
Seriously, he's a good friend of mine and is the local guru of tire prep. Several top teams buy their prep from him and to my knowledge he has never been popped. He claims he's only putting chemicals that are already in there!
I know when you walk into his shop, it looks like a chemical supply warehouse. He keeps it hush hush, and he wont even let me watch when he's making up a batch......go figure!Turn LEFT, Vote RIGHT!Comment
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Meh I already have Bobby's number a25jr #toosoon?Comment
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You need to find a kart track in your area and talk to the front runners. They send dirt to labs, as different dirt needs different chemicals. It is used everywhere, especially on “spec†tires. You can gain 3 tenths qualifying down here in the south, but you can also ruin a new set of tires if you don’t know what you are doing. Some of our last cal race parts suppliers will even treat your tires all week for you!!!!! Think it don’t happen ????? Call around in GaComment
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One of the best tire softeners ever was Creasote thinned down with Lacquer thinner, that stuff is the bomb. Oddly enough another good one was belt dressing spray, we used a particular brand that worked wonders on Kart tires.
We have 60k Durham Fords, and 60K Rollers, and Lucas and WRG are worried about tire softeners? Kinda ridiculous really. And i know "It causes Cancer" who cares, if we want to deal with it, use it. A lot of things cause cancer, sun screen is one of the worst in my opinion.
Just say no...Comment
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Thats nasty stuff lol. We don't soften much anymore but you can add bite. I'm sure some do that have a hard tire rule but we are min 1300s around here
Originally posted by Kromulous View PostComment
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Engine gunk I'm told will soften them quite a bit. Several years ago guy at Eldora was selling stuff. Swore bloomer and everyone using his stuff but who knows the real truthComment
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