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  • fastford
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 4059

    #16
    even though we use less stagger , it is still important , we just make a lot less change than we use to , its all about tuning and staying up with the track , if you can turn the car through dynamic roll steer and use less stagger , you will pick up straightaway speed and be smoother entering the turn , which is where a lot of speed has been gained lately , the old train of thought where you enter the turn with the car flat required a lot more stagger to make the car turn when you picked up the throttle , but it made the car harder to control getting in , which usually meant having to run a lot more rear brake to get in.....

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    • ZERO25
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2018
      • 5240

      #17
      I think any scientific calculation of what is required is thrown out the window by the track not being perfectly smooth and the track not having even consistent traction from top to bottom and the cars sliding and wheel spinning. This is not asphalt. According to all of you Kevin rumley is the smartest guy on the entire planet and snort is the best driver and the have the best funded operation .... Only the last of which do I consider true but point being there are plenty of races where he is not a factor , if the “ smartest guy on planet earth “ is unable to harness the power of these scientific calculations to produce consistently dominate results you have to conclude it’s not possible

      THAT MIGHT BE YOUR PROBLEM!!!

      Since you don't believe dirt racing is a science, maybe that's the reason you got lapped in a 10 lap heat race!

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      • Jim11h
        Senior Member
        • May 2007
        • 1501

        #18
        Where was your car big boy? Can't believe how many have attacked him for trying world 100. Then have stupidity to bring that (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) here to most respectable forum in all of 4m. Now please go back to where you belong and it isn't here

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        • ZERO25
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2018
          • 5240

          #19
          Originally posted by Jim11h View Post
          Where was your car big boy? Can't believe how many have attacked him for trying world 100. Then have stupidity to bring that (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) here to most respectable forum in all of 4m. Now please go back to where you belong and it isn't here
          keyboard warrior ^^^^^, you might wanna study your 4m history and you'll find out why everybody gives Jonny boy a bunch of crap!

          Ask him about boasting to someone with half the equipment he has, and got beat like a drum at Eldora a couple of years ago!

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          • hucktyson
            Banned
            • May 2007
            • 1903

            #20
            Yes my 2016 pierce car that I cut all of the mounts off and changed everything in my garage with a jig saw , tubing bender a welder and drill press with a standard bore 430 and 3 differnt brands of shocks, never been on a pulldown rig or anything just done wig plumb bombs angle finders and string lines that I have raced a total of 6 times now including eldora..... completely on my own to decide every adjustment and completely on my own to pay every bill while running a company that takes 70-80 hours a week of my time. What’s described above is definitely double the equipment most people take to eldora ..... yes considering all of that I was clearly the odds on favorite to take home the globe ..... it’s amazing I didn’t win that race ....

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            • Kromulous
              Senior Member
              • May 2007
              • 3008

              #21
              I'll say this about scientific, i was talking to a fast local / regional racer and he was going on and on about .010 of bump steer. How that basically derailed his chance of winning, being fast. Then went on to tell me about how everything had to be so so, down to the rivets. Measures stagger to the 1/16th etc etc

              At that point i figured one of 2 things is going on. A lot of delusion, or these guys that are really fast can tell that .010 mills can make a difference in a car, and can feel it.

              Have been trying to figure out which one ever since LOL.

              One thing i will say thou, guys like Rumley that are Engineers, i work with them all day, they love data. The more numbers the better they feel. So i would guess he would have calculations on various things like stagger etc.

              Just say no...

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              • ZERO25
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2018
                • 5240

                #22
                Yes my 2016 pierce car that I cut all of the mounts off and changed everything in my garage with a jig saw , tubing bender a welder and drill press with a standard bore 430 and 3 differnt brands of shocks, never been on a pulldown rig or anything just done wig plumb bombs angle finders and string lines that I have raced a total of 6 times now including eldora..... completely on my own to decide every adjustment and completely on my own to pay every bill while running a company that takes 70-80 hours a week of my time. What’s described above is definitely double the equipment most people take to eldora ..... yes considering all of that I was clearly the odds on favorite to take home the globe ..... it’s amazing I didn’t win that race ....

                And yet for weeks and weeks, you talked trash to Brian Gray! You claimed his info on here was bs, and you could outrun him with a wheelbarrow! And yet YOU didn't! You had superior equipment to him and he still beat you fair and square!

                As the old timers say, don't let you alligator mouth write a check your canary rearend cant cash!

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                • hucktyson
                  Banned
                  • May 2007
                  • 1903

                  #23
                  Except he didn’t beat me ....

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                  • hucktyson
                    Banned
                    • May 2007
                    • 1903

                    #24
                    And yes everything he says on here is BS

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                    • fastford
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 4059

                      #25
                      come on you two , this is the last section on this forum that we can talk and exchange ideas with out the BS , Ive been listening to you two for years on here and i like both of you , BUT , let this sh!t go........

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                      • hucktyson
                        Banned
                        • May 2007
                        • 1903

                        #26
                        Fastford he’s just another faceless nameless clown. Anyone who doesn’t say who they are shouldn’t be allowed to post.

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                        • ZERO25
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2018
                          • 5240

                          #27
                          Stick to deck building jonny boy.....that might be the one and only thing you're an expert on!

                          I bet Brian Gray would love a chance at driving your top of the line Pierce/Cornett around the Big E.....at least the car would know what its like to go fast one time!

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                          • MasterSbilt_Racer
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2007
                            • 14307

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Kromulous View Post
                            I'll say this about scientific, i was talking to a fast local / regional racer and he was going on and on about .010 of bump steer. How that basically derailed his chance of winning, being fast. Then went on to tell me about how everything had to be so so, down to the rivets. Measures stagger to the 1/16th etc etc

                            At that point i figured one of 2 things is going on. A lot of delusion, or these guys that are really fast can tell that .010 mills can make a difference in a car, and can feel it.

                            Have been trying to figure out which one ever since LOL.

                            One thing i will say thou, guys like Rumley that are Engineers, i work with them all day, they love data. The more numbers the better they feel. So i would guess he would have calculations on various things like stagger etc.
                            That guy is full of crap...
                            Modern Day Spec Wedge Racing

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                            • Jking24
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2017
                              • 1512

                              #29
                              Originally posted by MasterSbilt_Racer View Post
                              That guy is full of crap...
                              I myself can't feel anything under. .012 bump .................

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                              • hucktyson
                                Banned
                                • May 2007
                                • 1903

                                #30
                                The idea of feeling 0.010 of bump steer when the RF stays compressed and the tires start toed out .375 and feeling 1/16” of stagger when stagger changes almost every time you measure the tire is laughable.

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