Flat Deck vs Drop deck

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  • ZERO25
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2018
    • 5240

    #16
    I have always wondered if some well placed naca ducts would be an advantage.

    Im sure technology has changed but a good friend of mine was a crew chief on a team that had an engineer as a consultant. This was back in the late 80's, but his cars always had rolled lips on the roof and a and b posts. He said the engineer had Cup connections and had found this made more rear downforce in the wind tunnel.

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    • Ltemodel
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2007
      • 307

      #17
      I think if the oil cooler were close enough to the drop in the deck after the firewall, it would pull air out from under the deck. The further back the oil cooler is, the more likely the oil cooler would push air under the car.

      I never understood why people put scoops on the back of the oil cooler to force air under the deck.

      If someone were to put a bump shroud covering the first small portion of the cooler then leave the back open, the air racing over the front would vacuum air through the oil cooler and onto the top of the deck.
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      • Punisher88
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2014
        • 495

        #18
        I have and always will face the scoop backwards. No idea why you'd force air under the car on purpose.

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        • Ghopper
          Senior Member
          • May 2008
          • 234

          #19
          Remember the ground is "moving" at nearly the same speed under the car as the air moving above (hence rolling floor wind tunnels are much more accurate that static floor designs).

          A cross section of the pressure distribution is visualized in a link above. This car was an XR1 with the oil cooler covered.

          The easiest way to know where air is moving is to tape on a group of strings and watch where they go. Deck mount oil coolers suck the string from the deck through the oil cooler. ....Suck, as in high pressure above deck moving to low pressure below.

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          • Ghopper
            Senior Member
            • May 2008
            • 234

            #20
            <- there is a constant Keyser ad for wireless data acquisition using a string potentiometer for length measurement. These are great for slow speed test-rigs (like pulldown types). They are not as accurate for high speed suspension movement as they rely on spring tension within the sensor; which can give misleading results. Get regular linear potentiometers for suspension position and velocity measurement.

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            • Burke1118
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2018
              • 222

              #21
              Keyser made some overpriced gimmick that doesn't actually work as intended!? Say it aint so........"DATA ENGINEERING TECHNOLOGY ACQUISITION STRING BOX WILL INCREASE TRACTION AND WHEEL LOADS USING ENGINEERING AND DATA TECHNOLOGY"

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              • MasterSbilt_Racer
                Senior Member
                • May 2007
                • 14324

                #22
                Originally posted by Burke1118 View Post
                Keyser made some overpriced gimmick that doesn't actually work as intended!? Say it aint so........"DATA ENGINEERING TECHNOLOGY ACQUISITION STRING BOX WILL INCREASE TRACTION AND WHEEL LOADS USING ENGINEERING AND DATA TECHNOLOGY"
                It works. It just has frequency limitations as Ghopper mentioned. I haven't looked at price for those specially, but that technology is much cheaper than an lvdt.

                In general, data measurements practice is very crude and not well done in our sport, where it is done at all.
                Last edited by MasterSbilt_Racer; 04-01-2021, 01:17 PM.
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                • MasterSbilt_Racer
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2007
                  • 14324

                  #23
                  Those expensive smashers that auto run are great to compare with a guy that has the exact same equipment as you, but are terrible for actually knowing what you have.
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                  • Jking24
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2017
                    • 1519

                    #24
                    Originally posted by MasterSbilt_Racer View Post
                    Those expensive smashers that auto run are great to compare with a guy that has the exact same equipment as you, but are terrible for actually knowing what you have.
                    I love when a guy just has to spend that 7k and then he says all my numbers are totally different with this machine or what's even better is the guys that aren't even smart enough to catch it they just assume it's the same and "right" because it was expensive and the big guys use them.

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                    • MasterSbilt_Racer
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2007
                      • 14324

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Jking24 View Post
                      I love when a guy just has to spend that 7k and then he says all my numbers are totally different with this machine or what's even better is the guys that aren't even smart enough to catch it they just assume it's the same and "right" because it was expensive and the big guys use them.
                      "Can't even race a LM without one" I was told.
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                      • MachineMasters
                        Member
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 74

                        #26
                        Good discussion in this thread.

                        Thx for the info.

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                        • ZERO25
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2018
                          • 5240

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Ghopper View Post
                          Remember the ground is "moving" at nearly the same speed under the car as the air moving above (hence rolling floor wind tunnels are much more accurate that static floor designs).

                          A cross section of the pressure distribution is visualized in a link above. This car was an XR1 with the oil cooler covered.

                          The easiest way to know where air is moving is to tape on a group of strings and watch where they go. Deck mount oil coolers suck the string from the deck through the oil cooler. ....Suck, as in high pressure above deck moving to low pressure below.
                          So theres no device that could be made/mounted onto the deck, that would create a venturi effect?

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                          • Ghopper
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2008
                            • 234

                            #28
                            Originally posted by ZERO25 View Post
                            So theres no device that could be made/mounted onto the deck, that would create a venturi effect?
                            It can be argued that is the intent of cars with the oil cooler scoop facing the rear spoiler. I did not test to see if that works, or just creates low flow across the heat exchanger.

                            I put my cooler under the deck with a fan for the last ~13 races I have done since 2018 (smh). This years car is standard Mars supplied Keyser cooling package. I will test relative to my Fluidyne system.

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                            • Ltemodel
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2007
                              • 307

                              #29
                              Originally posted by MasterSbilt_Racer View Post
                              "Can't even race a LM without one" I was told.
                              Funny, I was told the same thing by a very prominent shock guy. It strange when people believe in all this voodo magic.
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                              • ZERO25
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2018
                                • 5240

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Ghopper View Post
                                It can be argued that is the intent of cars with the oil cooler scoop facing the rear spoiler. I did not test to see if that works, or just creates low flow across the heat exchanger.

                                I put my cooler under the deck with a fan for the last ~13 races I have done since 2018 (smh). This years car is standard Mars supplied Keyser cooling package. I will test relative to my Fluidyne system.
                                What about rear facing louvers in certain areas of the deck?

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