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Ok, Talon I will let him know... but why is he wanting to trade for same year Rocket or Mastersbilt...? Thanks Pink, I will search for Swartz cars too. The trouble is, almost all the good deals are over 1000 miles away... ouch!
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There are a lot of good brands of cars and all have been named here plus a bunch not named. As important if not more so is number of nights and number of and types of bumps. Locally I know where you can buy a 2012 Masters for $1000.00 only three or so nights on it. The last night it went end over end about 5 times and the halo is all cracked, plus a few new subtle curves here and there just waiting for a new owner or a good welder to cover up it's past with nice weld and grind job plus a heavy new powder coat. While that is an extreme example I would rather look for a chassis that has a more known history than a big name.Comment
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I drove 14 hours each way for my Swartz, worth every mile and skipping thanksgiving dinner to go get it.Originally posted by DRTRCR22 View PostComment
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exactly, why more people are not in Swartz cars will always be a mystery to me.Originally posted by zeroracing View Postjackie boggs....the last true outlaw
anyone but lanigan
Swartz - we don't build race cars fast, we build fast race carsComment
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Only so many used ones cause new ones are not cheap.Originally posted by pink floyd View PostModern Day Spec Wedge RacingComment
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Hmmm... good points to ponder...??? Thanks guys... I appreciate every reply...Comment
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I personally like the Rayburns from 01' forward, especially 03' & 04'(104). They get knocked on a lot by the 4 bar devotees, but I think its they don't understand them and just regurgitate tired second hand info they once heard. Swing arms are basic and simple, not unlike the leaf car you mentioned, 4 links of any make are complex and require considerable time and experience with them to get and stay fast. JMOOriginally posted by DRTRCR22 View PostComment
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I find swingarms to be very forgiving and easy to set up . I am not sure if they can run with a well setup seasoned 4 bar driver tho. I have no experience with Lates , nor do I want any. But I will be playing with Swingarm again in Mods eventually as I think they can still be competitive . I do not think they are as crisp and quick to respond as 4 bar . However Sweeny kicked it in a Swingarm Nullinski Mod years ago that still has me interested in their ability. I HATE 4-BAR so far !The Blacksheep cometh ! With old bent sh!t that just keeps getting faster !Comment
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One a dry slick track it is very difficult for a swing arm to keep with a good 4 bar car. Not saying it cannot be done, but it is not done often.
If your starting out get the 4 bar car and learn to drive it right from the start, learn it, most that don't like a 4 bar either have not driven a good one or have had limited experience. I find the same guys at least that I know hate slick tracks also.
Rayburn is pushing 4 bar on new cars, so even the last of the 4 bar hold outs is coming around. Swing arms may come back but for now more speed on slick can be found easier with the 4 bar.Comment
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Rayburn is in the business of selling cars so he has to sell what people will buy, its that simple. The trend is 4 link and they do work as long as you have an expensive shock package to control all that motion. I've worked on everything from Reverse cantilever to mono-leaf to 4 link to swing arm and of those I liked the swing arm best. I will concede when its dry slick they struggle for side bite, but I think that's fixable. I myself am in the process of building a strictly z-link car that I think will strike a balance between 4-link and swing arm. My biggest issue with 4-link is the j-bar and the tendency they have of flipping over with current setups, that's my issue, I don't like them from a safety standpoint...Originally posted by zeroracing View PostComment
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With the slow economy I would call some of the smaller builders and talk with them and see what they can do on a new chassis. I know of a couple guys getting super deals in new chassis right now, it's a buyers market.Comment
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older late model
I`VE got the perfect car for you to learn in...It`s a 03 swartz. I can sell it you any way you want . With more spare parts then a rookie needs caal me at 815-291-6016 before 230pm central or ant time on the weekendsComment
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Mastersbilts
I have friend that has a couple of Mastersbilts in the year range you are looking for, give him a call 320-219-3542 nice cars at good price!!Comment
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Well, I took your advice guys and drove 15+ hours to Iowa to buy an older 2000 Swartz car. It was not as new or as nice as he said, but it was ok for the price I got it for...? Then, before I could even get home with it I had race buddies who know about Swartz cars hounding me to buy it from me. When I got home they were standing at my door with cash in hand plus all my travel costs money, so to help bolster our new venture I sold it to them, and turned around and bought an '09 MastersBilt by Mars turn key sellout from Denver CO. I will keep collecting leads to help other local guys get into DLMs for our venture, and have been passing on all you guy's advice to others here looking. Again I thank each and every one of you for all your advice and recommendations... JimComment
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You should have got another SwartzComment
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