Tire Treating

[hpmaster]

Perfect post! I find it amazing people are worried about a few ounces of tire treating chemicals, but are not concerned with breathing the fumes of approximately 1,000 gals of race/pump gas that's put in the track and in the air each and every race night!

With a comparison like that a swig of Drano is just what you need .....it's only a half ounce!

[7uptruckracer]

Sometimes you have the save the racers from themselves.

[drtrkr244]

Those fumes are dumped in the open air. You leave the track with rubber on your face!

The biggest issue is it is out and out cheating. A form of cheating that people are sensitive about. A form of cheating where 5 guys do it and the lab only catches 1. It isn't simply pulling out a tape measure. I have no respect for cheats.

MBRacer, do you really think none of the carcinogens from the fumes are mixed in the clay? A simple soil analysis could find out for us all, as that would be some interesting data. I know I leave a racetrack with far more clay on me and my clothes than I do rubber.

As far as calling it cheating, we'll have to agree to disagree. As long as you are only putting back what naturally leaches out, I'm ok with it. And as long as tracks, sanctioning bodies, and tire mfgr's continually force us to use the wrong compounds, I'm definitely ok with it. Esp since when done properly, it saves the racer money!

[7uptruckracer]

I guess you don't understand how a benchmark test works.....EPA is cracking down HARD on tracks thats why the track surfaces don't act how they use to they really have to watch what chemicals they put into their water. There are guys spending some money to use environmentally approved water treatments on their surfaces. I've never had a tire treatment save me money, not once. By the time you add in the chemicals, and materials, and time spent or equipment to do it it doesn't save a dime. If you are keeping tires until the oils leach out your keeping them FARRRRRR to long

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

MBRacer, do you really think none of the carcinogens from the fumes are mixed in the clay? A simple soil analysis could find out for us all, as that would be some interesting data. I know I leave a racetrack with far more clay on me and my clothes than I do rubber.

As far as calling it cheating, we'll have to agree to disagree. As long as you are only putting back what naturally leaches out, I'm ok with it. And as long as tracks, sanctioning bodies, and tire mfgr's continually force us to use the wrong compounds, I'm definitely ok with it. Esp since when done properly, it saves the racer money!

I use tires longer than almost anyone. Keep them clean and they are pretty good until worn out, unless you are forced to run a 55 or LM 40. It is very common for us to put 200 laps on a tire. Chemicals won't save me a dime.

And I don't have to feel like a cheat. You treat your tires, you are a cheater. In my book, even worse than the guy running a 9" spoiler.

[old17ford]

Down south you have to prep tires because tracks want stop it & everybody does it ! they call it liquid speed .

[drtrkr244]

Down south you have to prep tires because tracks want stop it & everybody does it ! they call it liquid speed .

Maybe that's the main issue here, oldford17. Since we have a fair amount of sand in our tracks, moreso than Northern tracks. The tracks cant stop it because the sniffers and the lab tests cant catch it. My prep guy has been tested hundreds of times by sniffers and labs and has NEVER been found illegal. As far as economics, what racer wouldn't spend $40/week to win $100plus. Its a no-brainer for me or the ones that use it and win regularly! Trust me on this.....USE THE RIGHT PREP AND YOU WILL GET BETTER RESULTS AND NOT GET FOUND ILLEGAL!
PS...I don't make prep or sell it, but I know who does!

[7uptruckracer]

I run down south I don't have to use it. and there isn't a lot of sand in the southern clay. Unless i go to some tracks in NC I rarely have put anything all to hard on at all there are a few tires chewers CLR comes to mind and Winchester but Ive been in some big namers who win and win ALOT and i've never seen them soak they just grind groove sipe and wrap

[Brian Gray]

Most people do it. A very popular blend comes from lttl . The cost I think outweighs the means it will not make a tenth place car a winner. But if you use it properly you can make your tires more evenly consistent between tire changes. And they will fire sooner.

Yes you can pass a tire test with it regardless of what peopl tell you. We got 4 to pass the sniffer at a major ump event. This was a known test not just a one time deal that was tried to pull the wool over the tech person.
Yes you can still beat guys that are using prep if you put in the time and effort to learn how to make your car work.

No I don't endorse it and if your looking for speed from it your already behind the game.

But I do know it works best on harder compounds and if you are racing somewhere they don't tech tires a good blend is 1 gal of xylene mixed with 1 gal of toluene and a quart of dex 6 trans fluid. Use about 1 oz per inch of tread width and rotate the tire for 24 hrs. You can also apply it to the outside a day or 2 before and even use it between heats to get the tires going.

Your tire will not like this for very long so be prepared to get new ones. Or call Jim moon he will sell yA some inside prep that a number of top guys have been popped for.

7 ounces not 8 lol

[drtrkr244]

Most people do it. A very popular blend comes from lttl . The cost I think outweighs the means it will not make a tenth place car a winner. But if you use it properly you can make your tires more evenly consistent between tire changes. And they will fire sooner.

Yes you can pass a tire test with it regardless of what peopl tell you. We got 4 to pass the sniffer at a major ump event. This was a known test not just a one time deal that was tried to pull the wool over the tech person.
Yes you can still beat guys that are using prep if you put in the time and effort to learn how to make your car work.

No I don't endorse it and if your looking for speed from it your already behind the game.

But I do know it works best on harder compounds and if you are racing somewhere they don't tech tires a good blend is 1 gal of xylene mixed with 1 gal of toluene and a quart of dex 6 trans fluid. Use about 1 oz per inch of tread width and rotate the tire for 24 hrs. You can also apply it to the outside a day or 2 before and even use it between heats to get the tires going.

Your tire will not like this for very long so be prepared to get new ones. Or call Jim moon he will sell yA some inside prep that a number of top guys have been popped for.

7 ounces not 8 lol

LOL! Mr Moon and his prep have won a ton of races over the years!

[7uptruckracer]

Yeah it will pass a sniff test because a sniffer tests for hydrocarbons in most solvents. If you use things that won't trigger a sniffer you will pass it, if they sipe rubber from your tire you will be popped in a benchmark test.

[powerslide]

Most people do it. A very popular blend comes from lttl . The cost I think outweighs the means it will not make a tenth place car a winner. But if you use it properly you can make your tires more evenly consistent between tire changes. And they will fire sooner.

Yes you can pass a tire test with it regardless of what peopl tell you. We got 4 to pass the sniffer at a major ump event. This was a known test not just a one time deal that was tried to pull the wool over the tech person.
Yes you can still beat guys that are using prep if you put in the time and effort to learn how to make your car work.

No I don't endorse it and if your looking for speed from it your already behind the game.

But I do know it works best on harder compounds and if you are racing somewhere they don't tech tires a good blend is 1 gal of xylene mixed with 1 gal of toluene and a quart of dex 6 trans fluid. Use about 1 oz per inch of tread width and rotate the tire for 24 hrs. You can also apply it to the outside a day or 2 before and even use it between heats to get the tires going.

Your tire will not like this for very long so be prepared to get new ones. Or call Jim moon he will sell yA some inside prep that a number of top guys have been popped for.

7 ounces not 8 lol

6 not 7 get it right.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzje1p_jim-moon-vs-feger-nation_sport

Moonman great for a laugh

[fromthehills]

Around here the tech man takes samples and says they r sent to a lab. Come to find out they get thrown in the trash. There's a certain few with money and ties with the track that get by with it. It makes it hard for the little man to compete with that. If they track would grow a pair and throw them out, and run straight up, they would have more cars than they could run. Why can't these places be honest and not cater to money?

[Bcollins82]

Around here the tech man takes samples and says they r sent to a lab. Come to find out they get thrown in the trash. There's a certain few with money and ties with the track that get by with it. It makes it hard for the little man to compete with that. If they track would grow a pair and throw them out, and run straight up, they would have more cars than they could run. Why can't these places be honest and not cater to money?

Reminds me of Bob Memmer and Birkhofer after he won the world the first time. Memmer confiscates a tire, loads it in his van for "testing", drives out the gate, waits for Birky, hands his tire back to him and heads down the road. Lol just like the sniffer tests, it's all for the show.

[powerslide]

Reminds me of Bob Memmer and Birkhofer after he won the world the first time. Memmer confiscates a tire, loads it in his van for "testing", drives out the gate, waits for Birky, hands his tire back to him and heads down the road. Lol just like the sniffer tests, it's all for the show.

Fans love a good show