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  • kslle
    Member
    • May 2007
    • 52

    #1

    fuel filter

    ok i had a brain freeze... stainless steel filter, solid end goes to motor side, open to fuel cell right?
  • jwracer11
    Member
    • May 2007
    • 95

    #2
    Originally posted by kslle View Post
    ok i had a brain freeze... stainless steel filter, solid end goes to motor side, open to fuel cell right?
    No, it's the opposite. Solid end and spring go towards fuel cell and open end to the motor.
    Joe Warren
    http://www.jwmotorsports11.com

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    • BlackMagic
      Member
      • Oct 2013
      • 45

      #3
      According to Willy's the solid end and spring need to be on engine side. They are pretty stern on this. Can't remember why they prefer it this way though.

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      • Wheelman33
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2008
        • 232

        #4
        👆 Was told the same thing.

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        • Lizardracing
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 839

          #5
          I see this listed improper quite often in my opinion.

          Spring on the engine side is the correct way for most of inline cartridge style filters.
          Take a look at the end of the filter and note the end with the hole in the center. Fuel is supposed to goes into the center hole and then is filtered outward and then out the engine side of the canister. If the filter gets plugged up, fuel will push the filter against the spring allowing the fuel to bypass around the filter. I do mine like this on a modified running gas.

          If the spring is put on the wrong side and the hole facing the output side then fuel will go outside inward and out the small hole and doesn't provide a bypass if things get plugged up. This is the way I see it listed all the time in instructions as the correct way. If you put the spring on the wrong side and the filter in the wrong way then fuel will not flow at all as it cannot get past the endcap and the output side of the canister.
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          Last edited by Lizardracing; 05-18-2015, 11:27 PM.

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          • Matt49
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2007
            • 3123

            #6
            Lizard, the way you describe it and the way it is in your picture are opposite. FWIW I think the picture is correct. Outside in is how must filters work for several reasons. Not the least of which is that you can see how good of a job it was doing when you replace it.
            I'm not sure I understand the bypass ideo. We don't have fuel pumps in the fuel cell so I don't understand how that would even work. And if there is enough garbage in your fuel to completely clog a fuel filter, I would think the last thing you want is to bypass it. Whatever clogged the filter is surely going to plug up the carb.

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            • Racer96m
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2008
              • 425

              #7
              I see Willys saying to turn the filter around. Its not the way it was designed to work. This type of filter comes from aviation, my chosen field for the last 30 yrs. Aviation runs the Stainless cartridge filters on everything. They were designed to be removed and inspected and cleaned if need be. If the fuel went from the inside out, you couldnt inspect it very well and or clean it and re use it. You can run it this way if you want to use the more restrictive disposable paper filters, but if you run the stainless reusable filter it needs to flow from the outside in, so it can be properly cleaned and inspected. And the spring wasnt put in there as a Bypass. Thats a big spring, and would take more psi than you have to compress it. As long as the spring is always on the closed end it will always work, but if you run a stainless filter from the inside out, dont switch back to the correct outside in or you will send all the contaminates you cant clean out right into your carb. Just my .02

              Dave.
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              • 50j
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2007
                • 1047

                #8
                Simply put, closed end and spring to fuel cell. Open end to fuel pump.

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                • MM90
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 422

                  #9
                  Fuel flows from outside in, not inside out through the fuel filter element.

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                  • Racer96m
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 425

                    #10
                    This is the post from Willys Carb.

                    ****Technical Bulletin for ALL RACERS****
                    Any racer using a canister style fuel filters needs to know the directions enclosed with the filter is INCORRECT!
                    For a number of years we have all installed the filter element incorrectly which in turn has reduced fuel pressure, reduced power, torque, caused engine failures among numerous other issues. This is especially true with any car running a return line and now our "Super Bowl" system.
                    As you see in the photo, your spring that is inside the filter canister should ALWAYS be placed on the engine end and the hole that is in the end of the element should be on the fuel cell end.
                    For the past several years Willy' has tried reaching out to manufacturers of these fuel filters to have them correct their instructions and to educate them however, this is a common problem we see or hear about daily.
                    We hope this tech bulletin is helpful for you and your team. We feel that everyone needs to be educated on this issue and ask for you to share this topic on your page as well.


                    I personally disagree with this, for the reasons I stated in previous post. I think whats driving this is the fuel pressure requirements for there SuperBowl Carb. So I guess if you run one of those, do what they tell you,use paper filters and change them often, or get even better flow and pressure with a stainless filter and throw it away like a paper one along with your money!

                    Dave
                    2012 UMP Stock Car National Champions.
                    2013 UMP Modified Rookie of the Year
                    2014 Kankakee Speedway UMP Modified Champion
                    2016 Fairbury American Legion Speedway UMP Modified Champion
                    2016 Kankakee Speedway UMP Modified Champion
                    2016 UMP Modified, Northen IL Regional Champion
                    2018 UMP Modified, #2 National Points Standings
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                    • rakracing
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2014
                      • 218

                      #11
                      i'm with matt on this one .solid end toward fuel cell ,hole toward engine, if installed the other way the surface area to clog if much smaller 26 years of racing and 28 years as a plumber, filter never goes that way.

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                      • stock car driver
                        Senior Member
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 3233

                        #12
                        I cant believe something even as simple as this can be muddied up...

                        I can think back to a whole lot of dingy posts now I wonder if any of them were the brains at willys, lol.

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                        • cjsracing
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2007
                          • 837

                          #13
                          I had a friend who had it installed like Willy's is saying and his car wouldn't run, I told him to put the spring and solid end towards the fuel cell and it then ran like it should.

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                          • brad hibbard
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 974

                            #14
                            I think we are missing some of the Willy's information-----
                            I am not a customer of Willys but respect there position in the industry with innovative and quality products
                            there is missing information here because when using a traditional style canister fuel filter if it is simply turned around backwards with NO modifications---the fuel pump will draw the filter toward the spring-- completely closing off fuel flow
                            I have fixed this condition liteally hundreds of times when a competitor tells me his car is laying down real bad at mid straightaway----I ask if they recently serviced their fuel filter----the answer is usually yes and then we proceed to find it in with the open end (hole) toward the fuel cell and spring toward the pump (engine)

                            we switch it around and problem fixed

                            there may be a modification or set up change to allow proper fuel flow to go from inside out but then the filter would be only disposable not servicable----which is not necessarily bad

                            on another note
                            IF you were able to modify this style filter design to flow inside out and the user accepts that it is a replacement cartridge it would most likely be a better "filtering" system
                            the traditional system does permit debris to bypass especially on a rough race track

                            Brad Hibbard
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                            • Lizardracing
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 839

                              #15
                              I guess the debate goes on.
                              I'd rather bypass the filter than blow up a motor going lean. I'd rather have a smaller particulate matter capabilities and throwing away the cartridge then cleaning it. I'd rather increase the square filtering area to make up the difference in flow direction. I'd rather follow the directions of an expressed or implied warranty over any of the above rantings or my own opinion haha!


                              I wish someone would post some flow numbers on each direction.

                              Here's another question...Why a spring at all? Why not a spacer or some other design change unless the spring actuation is part of the overall design function? I suppose the key question we need to answer is "What is the function of the spring?". The answer to that shall be the answer of which end it goes on.
                              Last edited by Lizardracing; 05-24-2015, 06:42 PM.

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