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  • TLCT1
    Senior Member
    • May 2007
    • 220

    #1

    Dual Rate Springs

    Has anyone tried the Hypercoil Dual Rate UHT springs, any feedback?
  • MasterSbilt_Racer
    Senior Member
    • May 2007
    • 14324

    #2
    Originally posted by TLCT1 View Post
    Has anyone tried the Hypercoil Dual Rate UHT springs, any feedback?
    I have not. Just realize that you have no control over the load at which the rate changes. It may be perfect for your setup, it may not be. If your spring load is 500# and mine is 600#, our rates will change at different amounts of suspension travel.
    Modern Day Spec Wedge Racing

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    • Jim11h
      Senior Member
      • May 2007
      • 1501

      #3
      Explain please, ya lost me

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      • MasterSbilt_Racer
        Senior Member
        • May 2007
        • 14324

        #4
        Those springs are designed to switch rate at a certain load from free height. After you scale a Rocket that spring may have 500# on it. On a Longhorn, it may be 600#. The load where the rate switches is fixed. Let's assume it is 800# and the initial rate is 200#.

        The spring on the Rocket will switch rates after 1.5" of travel. The spring on the Longhorn will switch after 1".
        Modern Day Spec Wedge Racing

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        • Jim11h
          Senior Member
          • May 2007
          • 1501

          #5
          First heard of em. Appreciate info, I'll have to dig into little deeper and learn

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          • zeroracing
            Senior Member
            • May 2007
            • 1014

            #6
            I share the same concern as MasterSbilt_Racer. I did see an odd looking spring the other day on a car, anybody have a picture of one of these UHT springs?

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            • billetbirdcage
              Senior Member
              • May 2007
              • 2020

              #7
              Originally posted by zeroracing View Post
              I share the same concern as MasterSbilt_Racer. I did see an odd looking spring the other day on a car, anybody have a picture of one of these UHT springs?
              more info here: http://www.4m.net/showthread.php?358200-springs


              Last edited by billetbirdcage; 06-09-2016, 04:44 PM.

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              • jrkracing54
                Senior Member
                • May 2007
                • 620

                #8
                I prefer the dual stage spring set-up where you can determine where the secondary spring rate comes in. John 1 *
                "Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back."
                — Heraclitus

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                • rakracing
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2014
                  • 218

                  #9
                  there a great option if ya cant run stacked, i'm back to running the stack setup mostly because of the adjustability, do have one for the rr just aint tried it yet.

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                  • grt74
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 1380

                    #10
                    afco has made one for years,5th coil is where they started to use them 1st

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                    • billetbirdcage
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2007
                      • 2020

                      #11
                      Originally posted by grt74 View Post
                      afco has made one for years,5th coil is where they started to use them 1st
                      Yes, but that is really just a progressive spring where this is a dual rate. Meaning it's fairly linear in 2 different rates over a distance with a set transition zone in between the 2 rates. The PR1, 2, 3 springs that afco made for the torque arms is/was basically a progressive spring and many have been made since and in several versions.

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                      • lovinlatemodels
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2007
                        • 486

                        #12
                        Not knowing 100% on this with out a spring checker I would bet as the spring sits at ride height it is a soft compression for corner entry and as the bottom coils start touching the spring gets stiffer for corner exit and with today's shock package your able to get a better corner exit. basically the same as a 2 step set up on the right front that Carrera used back in the 90's and now with better knowledge of how it works they were able to put it to uses in a progressive rate spring on the right front. But I am pretty sure this is going to take some practice to find the right combination also there will probably will be other spring and set up change to make it work correctly. My fear would be it would not be very consistent when in a pack.

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                        • CCHIEF
                          Senior Member
                          • Jul 2014
                          • 399

                          #13
                          I feel these will likely be a disposable/wear item, as the closer coils coil bind, the spring will likely bend. It may work well but will require monitoring to stay consistent over time. They may get better as they get older.... or worse. SOme one put one in and report back! If you run one on a Rocket, keep an eye on interference with upper a frame at max travel!
                          Last edited by CCHIEF; 06-28-2016, 09:28 PM.

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                          • RaceMentally
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2013
                            • 137

                            #14
                            We use these on LR...
                            When it seems all eyes are on you when you're wearing a new pair of jeans you wonder why everyone thinks you look so darn good in them. When taking them off you notice the sticker still on the pant leg.

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                            • lindsey97
                              Member
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 84

                              #15


                              Since the cat is out of the bag, maybe??? Anyone seen this pic before? And speaking with the engineers at Hyperco they are designed to live at coil bind indefinitely.

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