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  • turtle1hp
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    • Oct 2014
    • 77

    #31
    Originally posted by Matt49 View Post
    I can't speak for a closed rear end car but SOME of this still applies. The key to downforce is to create high pressure above the body and low pressure under it. The LR quarter panel is part of the low pressure discussion. The more air you can prevent from going under the car (by sealing the nose to the track) and the more air you can get to escape from under the car (open rear end), the lower the pressure will be under the car = more downforce. To understand the importance of the LR quarter panel in all of this, it is important to understand how the bodies are constructed. The rules state the body can be 76" wide (max) above the rear axle and 72" wide (max) at the spoiler/end of the rear deck. The rules also state that this taper must be even on both sides but this rule hasn't been enforced in decades and almost everybody builds their bodies so that the right side is flat and all of the taper from 76 to 72 is in the left side. Now think about the car's angle of attack (yaw) on the race track and you can begin to see how the LR quarter panel is kind of "holding" a lot of air under the car...this is bad. Several years ago, some touring guys cut the LR quarter panels so they were only about 6 inches tall and they were bad fast. The sanctions quickly wrote new rules to make that illegal. Lucas Oil has a rule stating that the quarter panel must be at least 27" tall without plastic and 31" with plastic. If you just look at recent pics of some of the touring guys cars you can see that most of them run the LR quarter panel as short as possible with the plastic trimmed more like you would be accustomed to seeing on the right side.
    That is what I was thinking. The idea of shortening the quarter panel "should" help direct flow from under the car when it is in yaw through the corners. This should help to increase the pressure differential on the deck surface. JMO
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    • 7uptruckracer
      Senior Member
      • May 2009
      • 1336

      #32
      So where can I find split cages?

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      • Kromulous
        Senior Member
        • May 2007
        • 3008

        #33
        Speaking on Aero, and the Rules...

        I see a lot of cars, with the right-side sheet metal, mainly the door area dished in, concave. In the rules it clearly says flat. If you look at Bloomers car it is dished in big time.

        I am guessing its trying to duct the air up and over the car, and not under.

        The LR thing is interesting, tin snips are out and ready LOL.

        Also side panels, whats the thoughts on closed or open? seems like alot of guys are running the really big and open panels now.
        Last edited by Kromulous; 07-12-2016, 11:46 AM.

        Just say no...

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        • Matt49
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2007
          • 3123

          #34
          For sail panels, the ideal scenario would be open on the right and closed on the left. Open on the right to allow more air on the rear deck and spoiler when the car is in yaw and closed on the left to direct air onto the spoiler.
          Most rules state that the sail panels must match (open or closed, not one closed and one open)

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          • MasterSbilt_Racer
            Senior Member
            • May 2007
            • 14303

            #35
            Originally posted by Kromulous View Post
            Speaking on Aero, and the Rules...

            I see a lot of cars, with the right-side sheet metal, mainly the door area dished in, concave. In the rules it clearly says flat. If you look at Bloomers car it is dished in big time.

            I am guessing its trying to duct the air up and over the car, and not under.

            The LR thing is interesting, tin snips are out and ready LOL.

            Also side panels, whats the thoughts on closed or open? seems like alot of guys are running the really big and open panels now.
            I think the concave issue is that you will have more volume of air against it, than if it was flat. It will hold the car from sliding to the outside more when yawed and headed up the track. Air is a fluid.
            Modern Day Spec Wedge Racing

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            • RCJ
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2007
              • 509

              #36
              Finally got some measurements.From the contact patch of the tire to the tip of the spoiler (c-t) with 8"at 67 =68.5 .With 12'' at37 =73c-t.My thought is that with both spoilers set to give the same mathematical downforce the extra 4.5'' will give more leverage.I also thought the 12'' would be higher too.The higher an object is typical gets it in better air flow creating more force.The overall height from the ground was very close to the same at 67 and 37.When the l/r when up on the bars the c-t grew by 6 or 7 ''.

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