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  • James Hall #1
    Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 30

    #1

    Oil pressure problem

    I have a 2.3 ford race motor. When I start it up cold, it has 35 pds of oil pressure and continueously drop as the engine warms to 20 pds. The last race its had fallen to 10 pds as I came off the track. I can't get to race this car because of this problem. I've had this engine apart 3 times this summer. I have installed a new oil pressure gage and oil line. I have changed rod bearings and mains 2 times. I put in a new crankshaft with matching bearing and plastic gaged them with .03 clearence. I've had 2 new high volume melling oil pumps in, and went as far as to shim the spring in one of them. I took the alluminum Essy Head and had it aline bored and new cam bearings installed. I have changed engine blocks and all oil ports have cleaned and all oil plugs put back in. I have no oil in the water or any oil leaks to the outside of the engine. Why can't I get oil presure ? Please, anyone,,lol
    Last edited by James Hall #1; 10-20-2012, 04:24 AM.
    [2012 Wince Mayabb Memorial outlaw 4-cyl. winner at 191 Speedway]
    [2010 Lucky 7 Speedway Outlaw 4 cyl. track record holder at 16.89]
    [2010 191 Speedway Outlaw 4 cyl. Showdown winner]
    Cubic inches doesn't mean alot,,, its what you do with what you got !!!!!!!!
  • raabbiitt
    Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 46

    #2
    bolt another head on it, even an old iron one off a junker and see what pressure you have, that will eliminate any issues at that end. if the pressure is the same, it's not the top end, high pressure means the problem is in the essy head

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    • James Hall #1
      Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 30

      #3
      I thought of that,,, last resort I guess ,,,, thanks for replying
      Last edited by James Hall #1; 10-20-2012, 11:46 AM.
      [2012 Wince Mayabb Memorial outlaw 4-cyl. winner at 191 Speedway]
      [2010 Lucky 7 Speedway Outlaw 4 cyl. track record holder at 16.89]
      [2010 191 Speedway Outlaw 4 cyl. Showdown winner]
      Cubic inches doesn't mean alot,,, its what you do with what you got !!!!!!!!

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      • 1195
        Member
        • Jul 2007
        • 86

        #4
        Have you checked the oil pump pick up tube for cracks?

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        • James Hall #1
          Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 30

          #5
          Did that, last time apart. Seems to me like it would have to be the head having a crack with oil leaking back into the valve area on top. And it should be gushing to loose that kind of pressure, should be able to see it.
          Last edited by James Hall #1; 10-22-2012, 03:15 AM.
          [2012 Wince Mayabb Memorial outlaw 4-cyl. winner at 191 Speedway]
          [2010 Lucky 7 Speedway Outlaw 4 cyl. track record holder at 16.89]
          [2010 191 Speedway Outlaw 4 cyl. Showdown winner]
          Cubic inches doesn't mean alot,,, its what you do with what you got !!!!!!!!

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          • 1195
            Member
            • Jul 2007
            • 86

            #6
            Take a old distributor remove the gear install in the engine. spin it with a drill look for leaks with the valve cover off. You will need to cover the oil holes on the cam lobes or you will have oil everywhere.

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            • Headhunter
              Senior Member
              • May 2007
              • 1338

              #7
              What oil pan do you have on it? I have run into a issue with a bad designed aftermarket pan and high oil temperature causing low oil pressure.

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              • James Hall #1
                Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 30

                #8
                Originally posted by 1195 View Post
                Take a old distributor remove the gear install in the engine. spin it with a drill look for leaks with the valve cover off. You will need to cover the oil holes on the cam lobes or you will have oil everywhere.
                I'm going to do this,,, thanks
                [2012 Wince Mayabb Memorial outlaw 4-cyl. winner at 191 Speedway]
                [2010 Lucky 7 Speedway Outlaw 4 cyl. track record holder at 16.89]
                [2010 191 Speedway Outlaw 4 cyl. Showdown winner]
                Cubic inches doesn't mean alot,,, its what you do with what you got !!!!!!!!

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                • James Hall #1
                  Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 30

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Headhunter View Post
                  What oil pan do you have on it? I have run into a issue with a bad designed aftermarket pan and high oil temperature causing low oil pressure.
                  I'm not for sure what brand it is but its a 7 qt. pan with a trap door in it. Oil pressure low before it warms. I'm thinking it should run at least 65 pds cold and no less than 40 hot.
                  [2012 Wince Mayabb Memorial outlaw 4-cyl. winner at 191 Speedway]
                  [2010 Lucky 7 Speedway Outlaw 4 cyl. track record holder at 16.89]
                  [2010 191 Speedway Outlaw 4 cyl. Showdown winner]
                  Cubic inches doesn't mean alot,,, its what you do with what you got !!!!!!!!

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                  • Headhunter
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2007
                    • 1338

                    #10
                    You may want to make sure you have at least 1/4 to 3/8 of a inch clearance to the picup from the bottom of the pan. If all else checks out like bearing clearances and the rest you may be sucking the pickup to the bottom of the pan..

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                    • James Hall #1
                      Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 30

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Headhunter View Post
                      You may want to make sure you have at least 1/4 to 3/8 of a inch clearance to the picup from the bottom of the pan. If all else checks out like bearing clearances and the rest you may be sucking the pickup to the bottom of the pan..
                      Good idea, maybe, I've only got run it twice this summer because of this problem, tomorrow night is the last race,
                      [2012 Wince Mayabb Memorial outlaw 4-cyl. winner at 191 Speedway]
                      [2010 Lucky 7 Speedway Outlaw 4 cyl. track record holder at 16.89]
                      [2010 191 Speedway Outlaw 4 cyl. Showdown winner]
                      Cubic inches doesn't mean alot,,, its what you do with what you got !!!!!!!!

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                      • James Hall #1
                        Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 30

                        #12
                        Still have this same problem,,,,no oil pressure,,,, had the head sealed up and pressure checked,,,," no leaks",,,, although at idle there did seam to be alot more oil in top valve area than normal,,,,Any more ideas ?
                        Last edited by James Hall #1; 07-08-2013, 09:09 PM.
                        [2012 Wince Mayabb Memorial outlaw 4-cyl. winner at 191 Speedway]
                        [2010 Lucky 7 Speedway Outlaw 4 cyl. track record holder at 16.89]
                        [2010 191 Speedway Outlaw 4 cyl. Showdown winner]
                        Cubic inches doesn't mean alot,,, its what you do with what you got !!!!!!!!

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                        • let-r-eat
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2007
                          • 2319

                          #13
                          pull the head and tap head pressure port for a plug drilled and tapped for a gauge. spin it up and check pressure without the head installed.With the head installed you could insert a long 3/16 screw and put it in the pressure port in the back of the head. You will need to cut it the proper length. Install gauge and check. You can get an idea what this needs to look like by looking at the oil restrictor Essy sells that installs there.What filter are you running?
                          BUCKLE UP NOW, YA HEAR?

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                          • Big E tech
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2012
                            • 104

                            #14
                            Originally posted by James Hall #1 View Post
                            Still have this same problem,,,,no oil pressure,,,, had the head sealed up and pressure checked,,,," no leaks",,,, although at idle there did seam to be alot more oil in top valve area than normal,,,,Any more ideas ?
                            Chances are that you have a crack or vacuum leak on the pick-up tube... Is your pan a Kevko or Canton pan?

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                            • 7uptruckracer
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2009
                              • 1336

                              #15
                              Do you run an oil restrictor in the head?

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