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  • tbone84
    Member
    • Dec 2007
    • 36

    #1

    Mechanical alcohol fuel pump

    What is the most reliable fuel pump for a 630 hp mod motor? I want it to be a block mount pump. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
  • dirttrackrocker
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 664

    #2
    If you must use a mechanical pump use one of the race pumps. You will have to have the race pumps regulator/bypass though. For what you will spend on the Race Pump and matching regulator you could buy a used belt drive.

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    • JustAddDirt
      Senior Member
      • May 2007
      • 1893

      #3
      pump

      I have been using a holley part number 12-327-20 for years. ran it on gas, and alky.
      I use a kisler fuel bypass pill for sprint cars (looks like an air hose connector).
      I think there should be lifeguards in the genepool.

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      • usafracer
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2010
        • 554

        #4
        Is there a reason you want to stay block mount? I switched to a belt drive last year from a block mount and it was the best thing I ever did. Much more manageable.
        My sarcasm is a pre-emptive strike to your stupidity!!

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        • tbone84
          Member
          • Dec 2007
          • 36

          #5
          Mechanical alcohol fuel pump

          Cost is 1 reason. And i'm not crazy about running a mandrel with a long crankshaft bolt.Another reason is that i dont trust that the belt wont come off or get knocked off by dirt of flying debrie. Are there idleing issues with block mount pumps?

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          • TeamGRT12x
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2007
            • 911

            #6
            I guess I don't see the issue with running a belt drive pump. Thousands of people do it without any problems.
            Curious that we spend more time congratulating people who have succeeded than encouraging people who have not.

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            • usafracer
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2010
              • 554

              #7
              Yes. That was one of the problems I was having. Other thing was not having enough volume at high rpm on hammer down tracks. I found the block mount pump could not keep up.
              My sarcasm is a pre-emptive strike to your stupidity!!

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              • racin6mod
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2008
                • 2172

                #8
                Originally posted by tbone84 View Post
                Cost is 1 reason. And i'm not crazy about running a mandrel with a long crankshaft bolt.Another reason is that i dont trust that the belt wont come off or get knocked off by dirt of flying debrie. Are there idleing issues with block mount pumps?
                I switched to a serpentine pulley set up and that brought the kse pulley much clocer to the crank now the bolt is 3 1/2 inches long instead of 6'' long. the wider belts used by kse stay on better than the narrow belts used by some other brands. we built a screen under the front to protect the belt in the lm we did the same thing to protect the rack and pinion.

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                • JustAddDirt
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2007
                  • 1893

                  #9
                  Originally posted by usafracer View Post
                  Yes. That was one of the problems I was having. Other thing was not having enough volume at high rpm on hammer down tracks. I found the block mount pump could not keep up.
                  I ran and won 4 races at eldora, with hooked up tracks were you do not lift, to slick.
                  I won the Indy Mile, and 2nd at the springfield mile.
                  If you do not have problems with a mechanical block mount pump at those places, then I would guess you would never have a problem with them. I would venture to say that you were not running the right pump, or you had other issues. you need volume, not pressure.
                  different strokes for different folks I guess, that is why mfg. make both style pumps.
                  Last edited by JustAddDirt; 11-29-2012, 09:07 AM.
                  I think there should be lifeguards in the genepool.

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                  • tbone84
                    Member
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 36

                    #10
                    alcohol pump

                    I ran and won 4 races at eldora, with hooked up tracks were you do not lift, to slick.
                    I won the Indy Mile, and 2nd at the springfield mile.
                    If you do not have problems with a mechanical block mount pump at those places, then I would guess you would never have a problem with them. I would venture to say that you were not running the right pump, or you had other issues. you need volume, not pressure.
                    different strokes for different folks I guess, that is why mfg. make both style pumps.
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                    I actually run this same pump on my late model on gas at 750 hp,never had any problems with it in 4 years. I cant find anything anywhere that says if its compatible with alcohol. If this pump will work with alcohol i will definetly run it. Thanks for your input.
                    Last edited by tbone84; 11-29-2012, 09:52 AM.

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                    • dirttrackrocker
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 664

                      #11
                      Originally posted by tbone84 View Post
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                      I actually run this same pump on my late model on gas at 750 hp,never had any problems with it in 4 years. I cant find anything anywhere that says if its compatible with alcohol. If this pump will work with alcohol i will definetly run it. Thanks for your input.

                      You will still need a bypass/regulator

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                      • chapa9
                        Member
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 60

                        #12
                        I had the best luck with a pro-cam 15lb fuel pump for alky. I now run kse tandem pump and would never go back to a mechinal pump. But that's just me.

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                        • oldtrackchamp4x
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 270

                          #13
                          Ditto on the Pro-Cam pump. Four years no problems.

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                          • tbone84
                            Member
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 36

                            #14
                            Fuel pump

                            I just got off the phone with Holley. The fuel pump pt# 12-327-20 and the fuel regulator pt# 12-704 are both alcohol compatible. The fuel pump is rated for 170 gph,this is way more flow than alot of belt drive systems that i have looked at. Thanks for everyones help and input.

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                            • Ferg58
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2007
                              • 519

                              #15
                              Originally posted by tbone84 View Post
                              I just got off the phone with Holley. The fuel pump pt# 12-327-20 and the fuel regulator pt# 12-704 are both alcohol compatible. The fuel pump is rated for 170 gph,this is way more flow than alot of belt drive systems that i have looked at. Thanks for everyones help and input.
                              That may be the right pump but wrong reg, do not use a regulator. Use a bypass Holley #510-12-803BP

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