IMCA Open motor guys. Question about this years performance.

[modracr41]

your cracking me up. U can try and explain till your blue in the face you apparently don't have either type of car Im talking about. Ive got a Imca stock car and a IMCA modified and to me they are the same, I can race either at specials around here or traveling series or go to weekly shows, they are both the top class for their respective type of car. There are guys I race against that have 300 wins in each class.

I race as many tracks as you've been to in your life per season in my imca stock car.

Ive raced my imca stock car for 4500, 2500 and 1000 to win a few times this year. Sounds like where you are racing your street stock the pay sux and the rules are just a modified with a cobbled up late model body and late model tires most likely. I saw classes of cars like that when I went to the Ice Bowl in Alabama and the Bama Bash in Alabama.

You're making a LOT of assumptions guy. If you read what I wrote no where did I say that I had only raced at 1 track in each state in my life. Second of all you seem to want to argue. I don't have time. Have a great week and good luck. I'm going to work on my mod to get ready for the weekend.

[shockmod3x]

your cracking me up. U can try and explain till your blue in the face you apparently don't have either type of car Im talking about. Ive got a Imca stock car and a IMCA modified and to me they are the same, I can race either at specials around here or traveling series or go to weekly shows, they are both the top class for their respective type of car. There are guys I race against that have 300 wins in each class.

I race as many tracks as you've been to in your life per season in my imca stock car.

Ive raced my imca stock car for 4500, 2500 and 1000 to win a few times this year. Sounds like where you are racing your street stock the pay sux and the rules are just a modified with a cobbled up late model body and late model tires most likely. I saw classes of cars like that when I went to the Ice Bowl in Alabama and the Bama Bash in Alabama.

stock car equal to a mod...lol not in UMP land....maybe over in Iowa, but not in UMP.

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no kidding

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[RaceTechKs]

Hey guys......All I can tell you is......Stop Racing with the Crate Engines. IMCA is going to continue to give the Crates the advantage, your fighting a losing battle. Just go race where the Crates are kept in check. The whole problem here is for the ones of you questioning if the Crates have been given an advantage have not been skull washed by IMCA yet. Now the ones who have been Skull washed by IMCA will say, your all cry babies just buy a Crate if its an advantage, There cheaper to own and run and there equal and sealed....there all the same.............Bull Crap, there being cheated everyday. If you think there all the same....Go buy One, take it to a machine shop and have them go thru it Blue Print it and do what needs done. Then put the bolts back in it and PAY IMCA to seal it. You will see what I mean....and yea its being done everyday.

[Leeracing40]

Stock car driver.......how does your crate run on heavy tracks. I have an open motor and I am thinking of going crate.

[CHRISTINE]

Crate

Im thinking the same Jesse came to our track early in the year and whipped our a$$ with his crate and there is another guy that changed his program from a 5-10place car to a 1-5 car just by going crate. How much less gear do you run vrs open? now i run a 529 and turn around 7400-7800 in feature

[Leeracing40]

Stock car.........your track is dry.

http://youtu.be/ainxNqJZ3uc

Here is a clip of my incar on a heavy track. Broke the rear gear right off the start. We have one guy that is trying to run a crate, but he cannot even come close to the drive we have......he runs a Hughes chassis. From everything I have read in the struggle of crate vs open, it seems as though the crate doesn't do we'll on heavy, but kicks butt on dry.

[Leeracing40]

Been coast to coast racing. Missouri has some heavy tracks, so does Illinois. Just stating what I have seen personally. The guy running the crate is no slouch. He has won numerous races at the home track and a couple championships. Maybe there is something we are missing. He gets the car to roll in well, but through the center and off the big motors eat him up. I would love to run a crate and save half of my money dedicated to motors. Right now I can't see that happening until the motors are a little more equal.

[Leeracing40]

No contradiction, we have one guy that just started racing his modified two weeks ago. He has a crate. If you don't have anything to add to this post supporting the topic, you should quit trolling.

[RaceTechKs]

Stock Car Driver: Im not going to get into a back and forth match with you because it would be a waste of my time. You are just another one that races IMCA thats been convinced by them that this don't happen. I can tell you I know for a fact it does, and know of two machine shops that have done it and then had the engines sealed by IMCA. There have been drivers that have said they have driven cars with the same crate engines and One ran a whole lot better then the other, and were put in at almost the same time.....If there the same 602 how the hell is that possable.??????? Can't wait to hear this answer from the guy who knows it all....or thinks he does. Little update for you.....Both of the engines I know about have made the field at the Super Nationals for 2013. One in the Modifieds and One in the Sportmods. And No Im not telling you where they finished because then you would know as much as me......and nope your Tech Officials did not catch them either. And guess what, One of those engines will be in a Hobby Stock next year because it is sold and a new 602 has been ordered for the Sportmod just so you know. Crate Motor racing........ What a joke, I wonder how many there really are out there ? I bet its more then you think.

[50j]

I would point out that the bolt on parts and the owners ability to tune it will make a huge difference. We all know people that can make engines run well and the ones that can destroy a wrecking ball. The way the car is set up can also change the way it feels. When you see the guys that use good parts and know what they're doing buy them straight from the dealer and win with them, it seems like a good program. They are very close to each other in stock form too. GM really does a pretty good job with that. Yes, open motors are great too. Different strokes.

Stock Car Driver: Im not going to get into a back and forth match with you because it would be a waste of my time. You are just another one that races IMCA thats been convinced by them that this don't happen. I can tell you I know for a fact it does, and know of two machine shops that have done it and then had the engines sealed by IMCA. There have been drivers that have said they have driven cars with the same crate engines and One ran a whole lot better then the other, and were put in at almost the same time.....If there the same 602 how the hell is that possable.??????? Can't wait to hear this answer from the guy who knows it all....or thinks he does. Little update for you.....Both of the engines I know about have made the field at the Super Nationals for 2013. One in the Modifieds and One in the Sportmods. And No Im not telling you where they finished because then you would know as much as me......and nope your Tech Officials did not catch them either. And guess what, One of those engines will be in a Hobby Stock next year because it is sold and a new 602 has been ordered for the Sportmod just so you know. Crate Motor racing........ What a joke, I wonder how many there really are out there ? I bet its more then you think.

[Leeracing40]

Keeping within the thread...........my buddy tried z linking the right rear. He finished sixth in main. Car picked up a little. Track went dry slick ( was an open night with a lot of USRA guys coming up from KC). Car drove in and through the center well and had decent drive off, but Still haven't seen enough from the crate to make the switch. Would like to see the numbers from Boone ........

[RaceTechKs]

Stock Car Driver: My whole point is that you should care, these engines were at Boone and took the spots of some honest racers. My whole problem is, I don't think just because its a "Sealed Crate Engine" that it should never be not be looked at. I think this is a HUGE mistake IMCA and the others out there are making. We are all racers and we all know that people cheat.....and by not Teching the Crates your giving them a place to do it knowing they will not be checked. Well its just my opinion and a known fact that its happening in IMCA. But its up to IMCA to fix it but there convinced its not happening so their going to let it go. Now they have a Tire Sniffer, but said for years that tire doping was not happening in IMCA, but guess what its only 10 years to late to admit you have the same problem everone else has, so in a few years when they convince everone that its there idea to check Crates they will start doing that too. Leeracing40: Just keep watching and doing your home work, you will see where the advantages and disadvantages are in owning a Crate and some of its the driver some of its the track.......but most of the advantage is with in the rules.

[charcoal01]

Heres a story a little birdie told me. These guys are selling them after 15 nights because nitro isn't easy on the internals of those motors.