Is the crate killing imca mods

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I agree confused. Probably dont need to spend that much but people that are winning are spending that. last night was 6 in a row for the crate at our track. While i was sitting in between rounds i had a light bulb go on. lol

We need imca to create a class called the drivers class. same cars as now but no smaller then a 400 cube motor. 12to1 or more compression,aftermarket heads only. roller cams a must. alcohol or e85 only no gas. no two barrels ,maybe even 2 four barrels. no power cutting devices. Now that would bring some fun back into the mix. lol

Any other suggestions?

Rules to make engines bigger? Lol

[Confused?]

How about eliminating the 2" blade for the crates and put all of the Mods on 8" slicks. That would be interesting to say the least.

[Confused?]

I'm just stating what I was told by this driver. He has the coin to throw it away like that. Said he wanted everything the same as Grabowski. SCD, you may know this guy. He's been to Boone several times and like to party while he's there. He will be there this year too. I won't post his name on here though.

I personally wouldn't waste my money on a wrap, but that's a discussion for a different thread.

[Confused?]

Not him. I will go some time, but I won't take a car. May go as an official. Not sure yet.

[twisterf5]

we run a 602 crate class in nc. you can spend money on bolt on's to gain a little hp. but we run a basic set up v pullys holly ultra hp out of the box 200 dollar headers with a muffler and we make more hp on the dyno than any one running with us.monky see monky do is what drives up prices and even a 602 will out run a built motor at the right track we took are car to ny and finished 4th with it. we ran ump with a 421 that i could of bought 4 crates with what that thing cost. having more fun now with a crate wife get to go out more and took win #15 this year on friday i will never go back to an open motor.

[UltimateRaceCars]

Car counts up here in WI are staying the same if not growing, its making it an easier transition technically and monetarily for the sportmod guys to move up. I think its been positive for the class overall, I personally would like to see the spoiler gone though to even it up and a spec aluminum head just to see some parity between engine options like there is in the sportmods.
Like a previous poster stated I have yet to see someone that normally runs in the back of the pack bolt a crate in and start running up front. You need a good handling balanced car regardless of your engine choice.
I bought my 604 took it out of the crate, bolted on a JDR carb and put it in my car and was just as fast as the guys who spent tons of money on dyno tuning and hand picked engines. Total cost in my crate vs my claim engine setup was the same. The big savings for me was time, I didnt have to touch my engine all season other than oil changes.

[jasjenh]

Its good to hear its growing where you are at. I hate to see what is happening at our track but it was a single file crate train on Saturday. The stands are starting to reflect that also. boring racing equals no fans. The sportmods really put on a good show and its been 50/50 on crate vs claim so they have it right there.

We were joking around in the pits and thought that bigger motors would make as about much sense as the crate so why not. A good friend of mine put it this way when he went from open to a crate this year. "Its like having legal traction control"

[stockcar5]

sportmods have it right? you've got to be kidding. a 4 barrel on a vortec head 9.5 to 1 motor vs a 4412 on a 9-1 motor with smogger heads..

I cant remember the last time I saw a open motor sportmod win a race if even in the last 3-5 years.

We see them win around here. Last years national champ will be switching soon. Waiting on the rotating assembly to get balanced.

[jasjenh]

The guys around here figured it out with the claim motor. Boring is single file cant pass racing because its all about momentum on the high side. At least the sport mods can race two or three wide and can pass one another.

And yes he has won the last five races in a row. It is a little easier from the front half of the field but the point average is getting better now. In the lead by lap two and checks out.

[wadegarrett]

I agree confused. Probably dont need to spend that much but people that are winning are spending that. last night was 6 in a row for the crate at our track. While i was sitting in between rounds i had a light bulb go on. lol We need imca to create a class called the drivers class. same cars as now but no smaller then a 400 cube motor. 12to1 or more compression,aftermarket heads only. roller cams a must. alcohol or e85 only no gas. no two barrels ,maybe even 2 four barrels. no power cutting devices. Now that would bring some fun back into the mix. lol Any other suggestions?

The crate deal is causing issues, I know of one place up north where a top running crate is somehow turning 8k...they blamed the msd box, and changed it out...but I dont buy it. Also hearing about lots of cheating going with cam changes not to mention the high dollar team buying multiple crates. Then you got the UMP bmods where they are forcing you to go to a crate and not even offering you an option for an open motor by imposing heavy weight rules. We wont run a crate and if thats the only option we will move on to another class or find another hobby.

[sirleafalot]

sportmods have it right? you've got to be kidding. a 4 barrel on a vortec head 9.5 to 1 motor vs a 4412 on a 9-1 motor with smogger heads.. I cant remember the last time I saw a open motor sportmod win a race if even in the last 3-5 years.

you may want to check results at Fairmont MN open motors winning in sport mod class without issue.

[wadegarrett]

Are you talking about IMCA modifieds? How are they changing the cam? Why would they change the cam? the motors work fine stock. Why does it matter if a person buys multiple crates, I have two, big deal? fyi, They ALL dyno within 5-7 hp new and even out after a few nights. Why would they want to turn a crate 8000 rpm?

I dont know you claim to be the crate expert on here you tell us why the big teams are buying numerous engines and dynoing them and selling the rest ? I doubt they are doing it for fun. If there is no advantage then why are they doing it ??? As far as the cam deal goes pretty simple to figure this one out, different cam more rpms more hp. way I hear it you drill a hole in the timing cover behind the water pump which is tough to see and knock out back plug and change cam, and viola ! But hey there is no need to tech these crate motors lol, they are all sealed up, lmao Glad you like the crate the trouble is the many of us do not want to be forced into running them, and the way things are shaping up racers are being forced into running them.

[Confused?]

The cams can be checked without pulling them. It takes more time than most tracks want to spend on tech. There are several tracks around the country that won't check them. That allows for cheating. The same would be true for any class not teched.

Oh, and SCD, just because it says 6400, doesn't always mean it measures 6400

[50j]

The boxes and rev limiters get checked regularly fwiw.

[Confused?]

Not everywhere