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  • CsR41
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 169

    #1

    Pulley reduction help

    355ci on a 4412. Steel heads on gas. Engine builder wants me to run 30% reduction but everything I've seen/read/heard is that is too much for my application and to run 1:1 or at most a 20%.

    I bought the Moroso water pump and it says to run 50% but know that's not right!
  • CNC BLOCKS
    Senior Member
    • May 2007
    • 595

    #2
    I Have run the CV Products pulleys that are 30% reduction so far no problems. Just run a bigger restrictor in the goose neck.

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    • 72Dubya
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2011
      • 504

      #3
      If the engine builder tells you to do it, I would do it. He probably knows what it will do and he liked it and that is why he is recommending it. If something goes wrong with the 30% reduction, then it wouldn't be your fault either, as long as everything is installed correctly.
      #72W U.M.P Stock Car

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      • Racer96m
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2008
        • 425

        #4
        It all comes down to what type of pulleys you run and what fan. V belt pulleys and a high pitch 4 blade fan the belts will slip a ton, so you run 1 to 1 to compensate for the slippage. At High RPM it slips so much its like running a 20 - 30% reduction. If you go with a serpentine belt setup, it will have little to no slippage, so thats when you need the reduction pulleys. I run a 18Deg 400 and Im chipped at 8K. I ran 1-1 V belt pulleys and a 4 blade fan and it cooled perfectly. Switched to serpentine setup and now 20% reduction, same cooling result.

        Dave
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        • rebel1mcelroy
          Member
          • Jan 2012
          • 40

          #5
          Looking for a good serp. Setup myself. Got a brand and part.#? Thanks

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          • LateModel B23
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2012
            • 283

            #6
            This is a good setup:

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            • rebel1mcelroy
              Member
              • Jan 2012
              • 40

              #7
              Thanks but im looking for something with power sreering also. I also run a racing alt. But it has its own pulley that goes between the w.p. pully and fan spacer

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              • rebel1mcelroy
                Member
                • Jan 2012
                • 40

                #8
                I agree. Ive been running 1 to 1 v belt for the past 3 yrs seems like ive got to get a shorter belt after a week or so of running a new set of pulleys.

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                • Racer96m
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 425

                  #9
                  Nothing wrong with running a V belt, it just slips and wears the pulleys, But ran that way for years and years and was fine. I run the Jones Setup, no tensioner, Surp belt from crank to H2O pump and a V belt pulley off the crank to the steering pump. Very nice setup, Call Jones, they will get exactly what size pulleys you need, based on RPM and what fan and what size pulley is on your steering pump. I didnt want to buy a new steering pump with surp pulley and they were like, no problem, we will put a v belt pulley on the crank mandrel and you will be fine. Great people to work with.

                  Dave
                  2012 UMP Stock Car National Champions.
                  2013 UMP Modified Rookie of the Year
                  2014 Kankakee Speedway UMP Modified Champion
                  2016 Fairbury American Legion Speedway UMP Modified Champion
                  2016 Kankakee Speedway UMP Modified Champion
                  2016 UMP Modified, Northen IL Regional Champion
                  2018 UMP Modified, #2 National Points Standings
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                  • ford396
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 102

                    #10
                    I think that the main question that needs to be asked is: how fast does the manufacturer want their pump to turn and what is the expected rpm??? Not all pumps are the same and not all engines run at the same rpm.

                    Bob

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                    • Racer96m
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 425

                      #11
                      Thats why I talked to Jones directly. They will set you up with the pulley diameter based on what RPM you run, and also will consider the pulley size on your steering pump and what speed that needs to turn. Even if you dont buy there stuff, they are very helpful. I got everything I needed for under 400.00 and its top shelf goods.

                      Dave
                      2012 UMP Stock Car National Champions.
                      2013 UMP Modified Rookie of the Year
                      2014 Kankakee Speedway UMP Modified Champion
                      2016 Fairbury American Legion Speedway UMP Modified Champion
                      2016 Kankakee Speedway UMP Modified Champion
                      2016 UMP Modified, Northen IL Regional Champion
                      2018 UMP Modified, #2 National Points Standings
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                      • ric78
                        Member
                        • Feb 2013
                        • 48

                        #12
                        http://daymotorsports.com/proddisp.p...ine+pulley%2C+This is what we run also with one wire alternator

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                        • Hurst390
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                          • Mar 2010
                          • 188

                          #13
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