The Rapist Enabler Can't Take The Heat

[t.nie]

Oh, and as far as believing Clinton cares about people?

Yes, judging by her life of public service, her willingness to put up with all the hate and malice directed at her to run for office, yes.

Like I told someone else the other day, if you're pursuing policies that might make rich people less wealthy and make them pay more taxes, etc. you best believe they are going to collectively try to destroy you in the media with their wealth. Especially since they have so much spare cash to spend on smearing you and propping up candidates who oppose you.

[t.nie]

Ok, I'll take a guess dirtman. You are saying that the classified email stuff is the smoking gun?

We live in a nation of laws. The people who are charged with executing those laws determined there wasn't enough evidence there to charge her. Since then lots of people with a vested interest in trying to make sure she doesn't get elected have spread all kinds of rumors about why she wasn't charged.

Bottom line, we live in a nation of laws. Bill Clinton lied under oath, was impeached, lost his law license and has to live with the fallout. But that is how it goes in a nation of laws.

Hillary Clinton was not charged. That was the decision of the people that were entrusted with that decision. Sorry if you don't agree with it, but the facts are you don't have the authority or access to information or knowledge of the law to say whether that was a right or wrong decision any more than I do.

I accept the decision made. You don't. That's your right. But it is my right to not agree with you.

[a25rjr]

Skids, it is one thing for someone speaking publicly to express ideas such as "stay away from the vipers" "beware of the wolves in sheep's clothing" as a means of teaching and admonishment and instruction.

It is quite another to attack an individual personally with those kind of words. Christ NEVER singled out a single person and viciously attacked them. He did admonish people, he did offer words of correction, but he never did it with a malicious heart or to deliberately single out one person and shame them or attack them. Christ did everything as we are instructed to: reach out with love and compassion and kind words.

As far as "passing the Christian Test" that is completely false. The bible tells us that only God knows the heart and He will judge. This is legalism, and legalism is at the core of why God gave man the Messiah. Because man, no matter what God said to do to purify himself and be holy in the presence of God, couldn't help but try to circumvent the rules. So God said fine, let's just get rid of rules because man can't live by rules, I will send my son who will live a blameless, sinless life and be crucified as a sacrifice and this sacrifice will cover all sins. Then Man will only have one choice to make... accept Christ was the Savior and be forgiven or choose to reject it. And there is no "test" that man can administer to another man to know what is in the heart. Only you and God know where you stand.

As far as my politics, here is exactly where I stand on the Dem vs Rep thing.

Republican positions I support--no same sex marriage, ban abortion, personal responsibility.

Dem positions I support-address wage inequality, raise taxes on the wealthy instead of favoring them, overturn Citizens United and curb the influence of the wealthy to purchase our governance, raise the minimum wage, expand higher education through government programs to assist the underprivileged, expand access to quality health care.

I have said it before and I will say it again-- I am socially conservative and fiscally liberal. I believe government is there to protect us from the wealthy and powerful who will exploit the nation for their own ends if allowed to by government, and the only thing standing in between us and a corporate oligarchy serving only itself is government. It is plain to me that the wealthy in America know this, so the plan has been for many years to do everything to purchase and control the government. To this end, Citizen's United was a huge step toward corporate ownership of all the people in our government.

This election is a huge turning point because of the Supreme Court appointees that hang in the balance. If this goes one way, we might get some change in America that is good for the common people instead of just the wealthy. If Trump gets elected, America is over as we know it. We will continue even further down the road of corporate ownership and control of America and all the people in it.

Oh, and one last thing-- If you met me in real life, I would be the same person you see on here. Like me or not, I am not a different person when I am typing on a keyboard or talking to you face to face.

And the "righteous anger" excuse? I think some people love to use that because its like the abuser saying to the victim "I only did it because I love you!" It's just an easy excuse to be right when you know you're wrong.

And here is the verse in Matthew, even when Christ was "righteously angry" he did not call anyone specifically a thief, he did not attack any individual with personal insults, he addressed them as a group and described what they had done to God's Temple. Big difference.

12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

You say you're a social conservative......but you're voting for Hilary, a Democrat! That's the true definition of an oxymoron!

If you're a Christian, there's no way you could vote for a baby murderer! That's not only coming from me, but plenty of powerful Evangelicals!

[a25rjr]

I don't think I need to spend hours in prayer agonizing with my Lord over voting for the deranged lunatic that is Donald Trump. Maybe some other people need to do some serious soul searching on who and what they really are if they support him.

It is just beyond me how much hate you must have toward a person to choose a man who loves money over anything else. And that is all that it amounts to, people hate Hillary so much they'll vote for a man who embodies no Christian values instead.

I wonder if David were running for office what kinds of smear campaigns his accusers would have thrown out there to derail his candidacy? "He had affairs! He slept with Bathsheba! He had her husband sent to the front lines in battle so he would be killed! He is a rapist! He uses his power and influence only for himself, he cares about no one else!" and yet the Bible tells us David was favored in God's eyes not because of his behavior, but because he, despite all of his human missteps, lies, deceit and adultery, still wanted only to know God's heart.

HRC is NO David. But I believe that despite all of her human missteps, she really does have a desire to help people.

Can't say Donald Trump has a track record of helping anyone but himself. Donald's entire life up until now has been about serving Donald and no one else. His run for the White House is just a big ego trip, the latest in a long history of trying to bolster his own ego and promote himself. And it really speaks volumes when he says he has never felt a need to ask for forgiveness because he can't think of a single time he has done anything wrong. It's sad that Christians are willing to embrace the blatantly self serving greedy man standing before them out of spite toward an alternative.

Here's 2 common Christian ideals, that makes your candidate/party selection dead WRONG!
1) Come out and be ye separate
2) Do not be unequally yoked with the lost

2 Corinthians 6:14-18King James Version (KJV)

14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

[t.nie]

You're a Southern Baptist, right?

I don't know who this guy is, but this is what I found from what appears to be your church leadership. Of course, I am pretty sure even if this is your church you will slam him too. But I found his take on this election and Donald Trump refreshing.

God places leadership in the churches over us at his choosing. When someone at this level speaks, I kinda think it is in our own best interests to listen and not argue.

A top Southern Baptist leader has a warning for white evangelical Christians: If you want to "be on the right side of Jesus," you need to stand up to Donald Trump.

Russell Moore heads the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, the public policy arm of the largest, typically quite conservative American Protestant denomination. In a scathing op-ed in the New York Times, Moore argues that for white evangelicals, the 2016 election is a moment of truth:

A white American Christian who disregards nativist language is in for a shock. The man on the throne in heaven is a dark-skinned, Aramaic-speaking "foreigner" who is probably not all that impressed by chants of "Make America great again."
Moore likens Trump's candidacy to the civil rights movement — a test that many white Baptist churches in the South failed when they defended white supremacy rather than standing by black churches. He argues that it's also in evangelicals' interest to stand up to Trump, because the future of evangelical Christianity lies with the people Trump picks on, including immigrants:

Majorities come and majorities go. And sometimes a silent majority is too silent for its own good… The question is whether evangelicals will be on the right side of Jesus. That will mean standing up for the church’s future leaders, and for our mission, especially when they are politically powerless.

[dirtMAN007]

ok, i'll take a guess dirtman. You are saying that the classified email stuff is the smoking gun?

We live in a nation of laws. The people who are charged with executing those laws determined there wasn't enough evidence there to charge her. Since then lots of people with a vested interest in trying to make sure she doesn't get elected have spread all kinds of rumors about why she wasn't charged.

Bottom line, we live in a nation of laws. Bill clinton lied under oath, was impeached, lost his law license and has to live with the fallout. But that is how it goes in a nation of laws.

Hillary clinton was not charged. That was the decision of the people that were entrusted with that decision. Sorry if you don't agree with it, but the facts are you don't have the authority or access to information or knowledge of the law to say whether that was a right or wrong decision any more than i do.

I accept the decision made. You don't. That's your right. But it is my right to not agree with you.

my question was do you believe she is for the middle class and not the elitist group that her and her donors belong to ? Simple yes or no will be sufficient !!!!

[t.nie]

Ok, so why are you "unequally yoked" with Donald Trump?

I've seen nothing yet that convinces me that Trump has any clue about Christianity. He says he doesn't need forgiveness because he can't see how he has done anything wrong, and he clearly behaves in the most immoral manner, and he doesn't even know the proper pronunciation for a very common book of the bible, demonstrating further that he is pretty far removed from God and has no interest in spiritual things.

I know you feel strongly anti-Clinton, but I see more Christian values in Obama and Clinton than I see in just about any Republican and certainly not Donald Trump. However, you are entitled to your opinion.

[a25rjr]

Ok, so why are you "unequally yoked" with Donald Trump?

I've seen nothing yet that convinces me that Trump has any clue about Christianity. He says he doesn't need forgiveness because he can't see how he has done anything wrong, and he clearly behaves in the most immoral manner, and he doesn't even know the proper pronunciation for a very common book of the bible, demonstrating further that he is pretty far removed from God and has no interest in spiritual things.

I know you feel strongly anti-Clinton, but I see more Christian values in Obama and Clinton than I see in just about any Republican and certainly not Donald Trump. However, you are entitled to your opinion.

I will tell you what my pastor said about this election or any other for that matter.......vote for the candidate that lines up more closely to the Bible! That leaves no doubt who a so-called Christian should vote for.

If you're so sure that you're right, I could arrange a phone call between you and him....fair enough?

[t.nie]

So since you can't defend yourself, you want to bring your pastor into it?

Kind of like running off to mommy when things get too much for you to handle, isn't it?

[a25rjr]

So since you can't defend yourself, you want to bring your pastor into it?

Kind of like running off to mommy when things get too much for you to handle, isn't it?

Defend myself to you? You're too easy to defeat! You preach one thing and do the other!

Why don't you answer the tough questions.....what denomination are you and what Bible do you read?

I would talk to your pastor in a second.....you scared?

[t.nie]

How do you know what I do? You only know what you read INTO what I say on here. Don't presume you are all knowing. I have said before, I have no idea what is in your heart and don't make any judgment of you on what I read apart from the fact that you seem very hostile toward me at every opportunity because I don't agree with your opinion of the lunatic running for president named Donald Trump.

Remember, in as much as it is within your ability, strive to not be quarrelsome among your brothers. So having said that, have a good night and I will bow out of this forum again. Quite frankly, the attitude one gets met with here when one doesn't not fully support the agenda of those here is pretty nasty and disagreeable. I think I'll focus my attention on more peaceful and productive things.

Seriously, if I have offended or upset you, it was never my intention. I just disagree with you. And no, I will not be dragging my pastor into some petty silly quarrel over nothing of importance. It is demeaning to him and to me. And frankly it's childish.

Have a good evening, again. And please accept my apology for being willing to disagree with you. It seems to cause you great distress, so it is better for me to leave.

[a25rjr]

How do you know what I do? You only know what you read INTO what I say on here. Don't presume you are all knowing. I have said before, I have no idea what is in your heart and don't make any judgment of you on what I read apart from the fact that you seem very hostile toward me at every opportunity because I don't agree with your opinion of the lunatic running for president named Donald Trump.

Remember, in as much as it is within your ability, strive to not be quarrelsome among your brothers. So having said that, have a good night and I will bow out of this forum again. Quite frankly, the attitude one gets met with here when one doesn't not fully support the agenda of those here is pretty nasty and disagreeable. I think I'll focus my attention on more peaceful and productive things.

Seriously, if I have offended or upset you, it was never my intention. I just disagree with you. And no, I will not be dragging my pastor into some petty silly quarrel over nothing of importance. It is demeaning to him and to me. And frankly it's childish.

Have a good evening, again. And please accept my apology for being willing to disagree with you. It seems to cause you great distress, so it is better for me to leave.

The Bible clearly states to "seek wise counsel", it was not meant to admonish you but to help you! You should be able to defend your faith to anyone.

I mean no ill will to you but a lot of your posts contradict themselves.

I expect a Christian to be one, in all things. You seem to take liberties where there is none. I surely don't expect you or anyone to be perfect as we well know that is not possible.....but we should strive for it!

[a25rjr]

You're a Southern Baptist, right?

I don't know who this guy is, but this is what I found from what appears to be your church leadership. Of course, I am pretty sure even if this is your church you will slam him too. But I found his take on this election and Donald Trump refreshing.

God places leadership in the churches over us at his choosing. When someone at this level speaks, I kinda think it is in our own best interests to listen and not argue.

No im a Christian, Bible believer, then a Southern Baptist! Huge difference. I don't agree with all Baptists doctrine. I get most of my Biblical knowledge from John Macarthur's books in California. He is probly the leading authority on interpreting scripture.

I really don't get this Russell Moores point. The entire article is all over the place. He might be another Judas!

[dirtMAN007]

You're a Southern Baptist, right?

I don't know who this guy is, but this is what I found from what appears to be your church leadership. Of course, I am pretty sure even if this is your church you will slam him too. But I found his take on this election and Donald Trump refreshing.

God places leadership in the churches over us at his choosing. When someone at this level speaks, I kinda think it is in our own best interests to listen and not argue.

We all know the nut picks and chooses what parts of an interview to put to print . I would tend to believe what he says more if it came straight from his mouth!

[skids]

You're a Southern Baptist, right?

I don't know who this guy is, but this is what I found from what appears to be your church leadership. Of course, I am pretty sure even if this is your church you will slam him too. But I found his take on this election and Donald Trump refreshing.

God places leadership in the churches over us at his choosing. When someone at this level speaks, I kinda think it is in our own best interests to listen and not argue.

This Moore guy is basing his argument on a wrong premise. The one that sticks out is what the media has a lot of the nation believing. He claims Trump "picks on immigrants". Not true at all. Show me where he actually said anything negative about ALL immigrants........he hasn't.
The media and the Clinton camp all focus on the parts of the immigrants Trump says need stronger vetting and better border enforcement.

i.e. He said some Mexican immigrants are rapists, drug dealers etc...... Nobody can argue that is TRUE. They just conveniently never include the part where he said "and some, I assume are good people."

He wants stronger vetting of Muslim immigrants. I hate to break it to you and the left.... News flash....most of the terrorists have ties to the Muslim religion. I'm sorry if that offends some people. It is nevertheless true.

Because he wants to know more about Muslim immigrants.....he's automatically a bigot. Why?