For you t.nie!

[a25rjr]

2 things that do not belong together is religion and government... All it has ever created was a righteous belief that everyone should live under what one group deems as holy, honest and just...Just as long as it is good for them. We will see in about 4 years and 3 months just how good the newly elected govt. really was. If we are still even here that is..

Please explain how that can be done. A Christian has the Holy Spirit of God in them. How can they separate that when making decisions?

I'll take the Christians side every time, knowing he has the wisdom of God inside of him!

[TS FAN]

Haven't slithered off anywhere.

Franklin Graham is entitled to his opinion.

I'd say if our nation's treatment of the poor, disenfranchised and least among us doesn't infuriate you, then maybe the Holy Spirit isn't in you. Remember, you have read it is an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth but today I give you a new commandment, love God and love one another as yourself?

The Bible tells us in as we progress further down to the road to the Second Coming, churches will go astray and reinterpret the meanings in the Bible to suit their own agenda. We are a broken, twisted, greedy selfish people. Why do you think all churches are genuinely seeking God's will, and not ascribing their own will to God's word instead?




Graham is entitled to his opinion. But the Bible I read is pretty clear. You will know Christians by the fruit they bear. This fruit we just elected? I don't see a compassionate Christ flowing from him. I see an empty vessel that is nothing but blackness of sin inside.

The fact that your are a true Christian, I am stunned that you do not understand why people like Franklin Graham were supporting the Rep party regaining control. You apparently missed out on the lack of respect the liberals showed Israel. You apparently missed the memo sent about the Liberals trashing people who preached the actual Gospel. I am being a bit hard on you because you should know better. Reps are far far from perfect, but they will protect the larger Biblical principals. BTW Whining about the election results not being fair makes you another run of the mill liberal thinker.

[skids]

Haven't slithered off anywhere.

Franklin Graham is entitled to his opinion.

I'd say if our nation's treatment of the poor, disenfranchised and least among us doesn't infuriate you, then maybe the Holy Spirit isn't in you. Remember, you have read it is an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth but today I give you a new commandment, love God and love one another as yourself?

The Bible tells us in as we progress further down to the road to the Second Coming, churches will go astray and reinterpret the meanings in the Bible to suit their own agenda. We are a broken, twisted, greedy selfish people. Why do you think all churches are genuinely seeking God's will, and not ascribing their own will to God's word instead?

Graham is entitled to his opinion. But the Bible I read is pretty clear. You will know Christians by the fruit they bear. This fruit we just elected? I don't see a compassionate Christ flowing from him. I see an empty vessel that is nothing but blackness of sin inside.

I'm curious why you put so much emphasis on the man Donald Trump is? Why can you not see the bigger picture of the Supreme Court, the second amendment, border security, economic growth and rule of law that stood NO chance with Hillary Clinton as our President.

You seem to sell God short if you think because Trump isn't squeaky clean that God can't use him.

Have you ever heard of Saul when you read that Bible of yours?
Are you aware of the sins King David committed?
Do you not see time and time again in the Bible how God used less than desirables (deplorables you might say) and sinners and even Saul who HATED Christians with a passion? Donald Trump may not be a Christian (yet), but he is far from where Saul was when God decided to change him forever.

Has "your God" changed since Biblical times? Because my Bible says he is the same yesterday, today and forever.

What say you t.nie?

[Clayton_Wetter]

Haven't slithered off anywhere.

Franklin Graham is entitled to his opinion.

I'd say if our nation's treatment of the poor, disenfranchised and least among us doesn't infuriate you, then maybe the Holy Spirit isn't in you. Remember, you have read it is an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth but today I give you a new commandment, love God and love one another as yourself?

The Bible tells us in as we progress further down to the road to the Second Coming, churches will go astray and reinterpret the meanings in the Bible to suit their own agenda. We are a broken, twisted, greedy selfish people. Why do you think all churches are genuinely seeking God's will, and not ascribing their own will to God's word instead?

Graham is entitled to his opinion. But the Bible I read is pretty clear. You will know Christians by the fruit they bear. This fruit we just elected? I don't see a compassionate Christ flowing from him. I see an empty vessel that is nothing but blackness of sin inside.

Where? In the mirror???

[Clayton_Wetter]

2 things that do not belong together is religion and government... All it has ever created was a righteous belief that everyone should live under what one group deems as holy, honest and just...Just as long as it is good for them. We will see in about 4 years and 3 months just how good the newly elected govt. really was. If we are still even here that is..

Sorry but a moral less government would obviously not work.

[Clayton_Wetter]

I am praying you are right. Unlike what the last guy was met with, nothing but hatred animosity and obstruction and a Republican Party that spent 8 years doing everything it could to keep him from getting anything accomplished, I really, sincerely hope and pray President Trump and the Republican Senate and House get everything they want. Everything.

I think the best thing for Democrats to do at this point is step aside and let Republicans go crazy and run the country however they see fit. Then we'll see how happy you are with your elected officials.

You guys forget, I lived under a totally Conservative run PM in England for 10 years. First Thatcher, then Major, and the rulers over there were conservatives. They did whatever they wanted. I know what that looks like, how that works.

The best thing in the world is to finally let the Money people have it all. You need to get what you want to be convinced you don't want it.

Thatcher was a great leader, Only the Communists and Fascists disagree. Did a great job, you are just wrong.

Hating Conservatism? That's your problem, not ours, please.

[calverton]

does tnie even know who Franklin Graham is

[a25rjr]

does tnie even know who Franklin Graham is

He thinks Franklins dad invented the telephone!

[calverton]

LMFAO ole cw

[gator 49]

I am praying you are right. Unlike what the last guy was met with, nothing but hatred animosity and obstruction and a Republican Party that spent 8 years doing everything it could to keep him from getting anything accomplished, I really, sincerely hope and pray President Trump and the Republican Senate and House get everything they want. Everything.

I think the best thing for Democrats to do at this point is step aside and let Republicans go crazy and run the country however they see fit. Then we'll see how happy you are with your elected officials.

You guys forget, I lived under a totally Conservative run PM in England for 10 years. First Thatcher, then Major, and the rulers over there were conservatives. They did whatever they wanted. I know what that looks like, how that works.

The best thing in the world is to finally let the Money people have it all. You need to get what you want to be convinced you don't want it.

Things have changed t.nie in England since you were there . They have a Liberal Muslim Mayor in London now, maybe you should move back there, since that better suits your way of thinking.

[t.nie]

You are right, gator. Changed for the worst. Country is on its knees, austerity measures are destroying the working class futures. I am so glad to have left when I did. It's done nothing but gone downhill since then. Under Conservative party rule.

Clayton, since you have no actual experience or knowledge to draw from, let me let you have the benefit of someone who lived there under Thatcher.

She will only be remembered for what she destroyed, not what she created. And the rule of thumb regarding the Iron Lady is she knew the cost of everything, and the value of NOTHING.

Most hated PM in UK history. Divided the nation, sold it off to the highest bidder. Made the UK a nation of wage slaves. Turned the whole country into a third world sweatshop to "compete" globally. Her successor, John Major, the mastermind behind the privatization of the nation, was swept out of power in the single worst electoral defeat since 1800 something.

So. Tell me all about how great Thatcher was. From your position of total ignorance.

[skids]

I'm curious why you put so much emphasis on the man Donald Trump is? Why can you not see the bigger picture of the Supreme Court, the second amendment, border security, economic growth and rule of law that stood NO chance with Hillary Clinton as our President.

You seem to sell God short if you think because Trump isn't squeaky clean that God can't use him.

Have you ever heard of Saul when you read that Bible of yours?
Are you aware of the sins King David committed?
Do you not see time and time again in the Bible how God used less than desirables (deplorables you might say) and sinners and even Saul who HATED Christians with a passion? Donald Trump may not be a Christian (yet), but he is far from where Saul was when God decided to change him forever.

Has "your God" changed since Biblical times? Because my Bible says he is the same yesterday, today and forever.

What say you t.nie?

I'm waiting for your thoughts t.nie

[Clayton_Wetter]

You are right, gator. Changed for the worst. Country is on its knees, austerity measures are destroying the working class futures. I am so glad to have left when I did. It's done nothing but gone downhill since then. Under Conservative party rule.

Clayton, since you have no actual experience or knowledge to draw from, let me let you have the benefit of someone who lived there under Thatcher.

She will only be remembered for what she destroyed, not what she created. And the rule of thumb regarding the Iron Lady is she knew the cost of everything, and the value of NOTHING.

Most hated PM in UK history. Divided the nation, sold it off to the highest bidder. Made the UK a nation of wage slaves. Turned the whole country into a third world sweatshop to "compete" globally. Her successor, John Major, the mastermind behind the privatization of the nation, was swept out of power in the single worst electoral defeat since 1800 something.

So. Tell me all about how great Thatcher was. From your position of total ignorance.

My position is about the facts and the truth, not the concept that only liberals can do anything good. You are just so so in denial of reality.

You just keep on believing liberalism is all there is.

Margaret Thatcher: The woman who made Britain great again
So signal was the Iron Lady’s character that she would have been a giant in any age


In her prime, and well beyond it, Lady Thatcher was a global shorthand for Britain, an icon of a nation newly unafraid to make the case for its values
In her prime, and well beyond it, Lady Thatcher was a global shorthand for Britain, an icon of a nation newly unafraid to make the case for its values Photo: Rex Features
By Telegraph View9:21PM BST 08 Apr 2013
Almost 25 years have passed since Margaret Thatcher left Downing Street, and yet the full scale of her achievement is still surprisingly hard to set out. So completely has her legacy shaped modern Britain, so fully have she and her ideas been woven into its fabric, that it can be hard to appreciate the depth of our debt to this most extraordinary of individuals. For she was not one of those politicians who had the good fortune to go with the grain of her times. She was a leader who wrenched this nation from the path of demoralisation, diminishment and decline so decisively, so self-evidently successfully, that her victory seems, in hindsight, to be almost an inevitability.
First and foremost, Baroness Thatcher was Britain’s leading champion of economic and individual liberty. She preached the virtues of a state that gave people the freedom to make their own choices and prove themselves responsible. She drew on great thinkers – Gladstone, Hayek, Keith Joseph, Adam Smith – but in the service of a philosophy that had as its irreducible core the ancient English values and virtues she learnt from her father, a grocer and alderman. Thatcherism in its original form was a creed of thrift, of self-reliance, of aspiration, of liberty in the purest sense. It was also one of unswerving, ironclad patriotism – seen most obviously in her decision to launch a task force to reclaim the Falkland Islands, when so many siren voices suggested she let the junta’s aggression stand.
It was her principles that made her congenitally incapable of taking the course of least resistance, and which also informed her personal integrity and incorruptibility. As a result, she provoked turbulent emotions – as do all truly great figures. Despite the widespread tributes on her passing yesterday, Lady Thatcher, of all people, would not have expected her enemies to wipe the slate clean in death. To paraphrase the words of St Francis of Assisi which she quoted on entering Downing Street, she certainly brought truth where there was error, but to deliver harmony was never her fate.
Indeed, throughout her career, she thrived on her enemies’ scorn. This was not from a love of confrontation for its own sake, but because she knew – knew in a way that those without such a sense of calling, of mission, never can – that nothing was more important than the changes she needed to bring about. The damage that her opponents in the Labour Party, or the trade unions, or behind the Iron Curtain would cause if left unchecked was so severe, their error so great, that they could not be brought to heel by tacking and accommodation: it would take the iron application of coherent and compelling principle.
It is a measure of her success in this great task that what seemed, at the time of her election, to be her most obvious claim to a place in history – becoming the first female prime minister – is now almost a footnote in her biography. Her chief accomplishment was to free British business, not least from the control of the unions. In every part of the economy, she sought to transfer the initiative from the state to the people. Managers were given the right to manage; taxes were cut to shift the balance of spending and encourage wealth creation; the working classes were encouraged to become shareholders and homeowners; the privatisation of nationalised industry opened up competition and created new avenues for investment. In some areas, the process of adjustment from a closed, state-dominated, heavy-industry-based economy to a more open, consumer-centric and entrepreneurial culture was traumatic. But that was not because the changes were unnecessary, but because they had been so long delayed. As a result of Lady Thatcher’s efforts, Britain is not only immeasurably richer, but more purely democratic, in that she gave us the freedom to vote with our wallets, where others cared only for raiding them.
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Then, of course, there is her place on the international stage. In her prime, and well beyond it, Lady Thatcher was a global shorthand for Britain, an icon of a nation newly unafraid to make the case for its values. Under her, this country counted for something once more. This was partly due to the strength of her partnership with Ronald Reagan. Although their relationship was occasionally frosty, not least over the American invasion of Grenada in 1986, the Soviet Union had no answer to their shared faith in the West’s military, economic and cultural superiority. Her work, not least in bringing Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev together, played an extraordinarily important part in ending the Cold War after 45 miserable years, and bringing liberty to Eastern Europe and well beyond. Even in the twilight of her premiership, she stiffened the sinews of her allies – especially Reagan’s successor, George HW Bush – in responding to Saddam Hussein’s unprovoked aggression in Kuwait. And while some may argue that Lady Thatcher was the leader who reluctantly took us into the Exchange Rate Mechanism, she also secured the British rebate from Brussels, and saw – and warned against – the flaws in the project of ever closer union more clearly than any of her rivals in Europe or at home. With every day that passes, her wisdom in this becomes more evident; it is a shame that the pro-Europeans within her party who helped to force her from office did not share it.
Over the coming days and weeks, there will be a host of attempts to lay claim to – or simply to defame – Lady Thatcher’s legacy. There are certainly millions who have only bitter memories: of the pitched battles between police and striking miners; of the unemployment queues lengthened by her government’s steely willingness to close down unproductive industries; of the poll tax riots. There are others who remember her purely as an ideologue, as a sacred monster who stood above party and politics. Yet whatever else she was, Lady Thatcher was a nuanced and pragmatic politician, who imposed her will, but let colleagues have their heads, and who saw the virtues of incrementalism. Her transformation of Britain was not an overnight miracle, but the product of a grindingly difficult campaign that took impossible courage, determination and endurance – one in which she was willing to divert momentarily from her course, so long as she remained on the right road.
So signal was the Iron Lady’s character that she would have been a giant in any age. We should be grateful, however, that her talents were so peculiarly suited to the desperate situation in which this country found itself – and rue the fact that in our current straits, we have no one to match her. She may have divided opinion, and occasionally even outraged it, but she lifted this nation from decline and despair, and restored it to success, influence and prosperity. It is hard, as we said earlier, to appreciate the scale of her achievements, and to acknowledge the depth of our debt to her. But what can certainly be said is that, if she had never been prime minister, or even if the IRA had succeeded in its grisly work in Brighton in 1984, this country would undoubtedly be the poorer, and the ambit of the free world smaller. If Britain is still Great, it is because of this greatest of Britons.

http://www.thedrum.com/opinion/2013/...s-great-leader

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/margaret-thatcher-in-every-sense-a-leader/2013/04/08/6fe5dac6-9091-11e0-b3d5-067e674ea64a_story.html?utm_term=.2e25e7c4d4d8

[Clayton_Wetter]

You are right, gator. Changed for the worst. Country is on its knees, austerity measures are destroying the working class futures. I am so glad to have left when I did. It's done nothing but gone downhill since then. Under Conservative party rule.

Clayton, since you have no actual experience or knowledge to draw from, let me let you have the benefit of someone who lived there under Thatcher.

She will only be remembered for what she destroyed, not what she created. And the rule of thumb regarding the Iron Lady is she knew the cost of everything, and the value of NOTHING.

Most hated PM in UK history. Divided the nation, sold it off to the highest bidder. Made the UK a nation of wage slaves. Turned the whole country into a third world sweatshop to "compete" globally. Her successor, John Major, the mastermind behind the privatization of the nation, was swept out of power in the single worst electoral defeat since 1800 something.

So. Tell me all about how great Thatcher was. From your position of total ignorance.

No knowledge? You lived there I take it and that puts your liberal bias as superior? You can't tell a Baby Ruth from a poop!!

[calverton]

put this in your pipe and smoke it tnie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXnjGD7j2B0