New Nascar points

[kidrock]

Robin Miller is biased and was very jealous of Nascar at one time.

I will say in the article he makes some good points

I'm sorry but Push to pass is a gimmick

[Raceready]

CIRF has done it again !!! Best post ever ! Best part is about the only pure forms of racing. I notice that he Clay Cab Taxi races weren't mentioned. Probably because it is tainted by things such as house cars setting fast time and starting up front every race by virtue have having the best one off and prototype parts that no one else in the field has.

[mudslinger47]

CIRF, you don't get it at all.... I don't care about the points or the politics of NASCAR.... All I do is watch the race... when the chase comes around, then I keep track of the participants... other then that could not care any less then I do... And please quit flattering yourself with your alter ego raceready.... patting yourself on the back for your posts is so childlike....

[CIRF]

Robin Miller is biased and was very jealous of Nascar at one time.

I will say in the article he makes some good points

I'm sorry but Push to pass is a gimmick

I'm glad you recognize the truth in this article. Because that is what it is full of. TRUTH!

Miller admits the "push to pass" deal is BS. I can't figure why the hierarchy of Indy Car doesn't see it, too.

I can maybe see P 2 P on the street courses but not on the ovals.

CIRF, you don't get it at all.... I don't care about the points or the politics of NASCAR.... All I do is watch the race... when the chase comes around, then I keep track of the participants... other then that could not care any less then I do...

Muddy, the points train has left the station. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. Points are meaningless and no longer reward season long excellence and consistency. It's not right but it is what it is in the World According To NASCAR & muddy.

No doubt Miller recognizes the points travesty, as well. Where Miller hits it out of the park is the part about the 3 different stages of the races and why that is another act of desperate gimmickry on NASCAR's part. He also points out how Indy Car is the last of the pure and relatively gimmick free competition besides the dirt open wheel classes. Something that has been clearly evident to real race fans for years. Miller just reinforces the obvious.

And please quit flattering yourself with your alter ego raceready.... patting yourself on the back for your posts is so childlike....

I have no control over what Mr. Raceready posts. You don't like what he posts, take it up with him, not me.

[Raceready]

CIRF, you don't get it at all.... I don't care about the points or the politics of NASCAR.... All I do is watch the race... when the chase comes around, then I keep track of the participants... other then that could not care any less then I do... And please quit flattering yourself with your alter ego raceready.... patting yourself on the back for your posts is so childlike....

So now I' an alter ego just because I complement somebody because they make sense and tell the truth? LOL Ya ever notice that you apparently have not said anything worthy of compliment? What does that tell you? Evidently I am also the alter ego of a25jr because I liked his Ted Nugent thing or Clayton Wetter because I like all of his posts? Grow on up !

[jeffreymo]

And please quit flattering yourself with your alter ego raceready.... patting yourself on the back for your posts is so childlike....

That's not CIRF, that's Recurve, from the old days of the board

[Raceready]

That's not jefferymo , that's MUD DUCK from the old days of the board and CALVERTON from the new days of the board

[mudslinger47]

You guys keep talking about points... who cares? Watch the race....

[jeffreymo]

That's not jefferymo , that's MUD DUCK from the old days of the board and CALVERTON from the new days of the board

Never change, Recurve. Never change

[CIRF]

You guys keep talking about points... who cares? Watch the race....

Muddy, I've admitted the points gimmick/fiasco is a mute point. NASCAR has resoundingly made their bed and their gonna' have to live with it for the duration from here on out. As much to save face and avoid admitting they were/are wrong and avoid admitting the ultimate consequences in regards to attendance and TV ratings.

I think what Robin is mostly referring to is the stupidity of stopping races for no reason that anyone can fathom. I don't think anyone with an ounce of operable grey matter could possibly defend that. But what do I know. Maybe we're all way off base and they'll get back to selling out every venue and doubling their present TV ratings from what they are now but I wouldn't bet on it!!

[Raceready]

The most flagrant stoppage of a race was the one where Kyle Larson was well on his way to his first victory and they threw the yellow because of a plastic water bottle that had laid up in the marbles where nobody was running anyway. It had laid for around a hundred laps without any problems. No wonder fans defect!

[STRONGERTHANDIRT]

They keep up with this bs and they will end up going backwards. Maybe a new version of Wide World of Sports where you see some racing sandwiched between ski jumping and arm wrestling.

[mudslinger47]

Muddy, I've admitted the points gimmick/fiasco is a mute point. NASCAR has resoundingly made their bed and their gonna' have to live with it for the duration from here on out. As much to save face and avoid admitting they were/are wrong and avoid admitting the ultimate consequences in regards to attendance and TV ratings.

I think what Robin is mostly referring to is the stupidity of stopping races for no reason that anyone can fathom. I don't think anyone with an ounce of operable grey matter could possibly defend that. But what do I know. Maybe we're all way off base and they'll get back to selling out every venue and doubling their present TV ratings from what they are now but I wouldn't bet on it!!

Ok, now were getting some where, the points mean nothing if your watching the race to watch the race... Finally I got through to ya... geez took a freakin eternity....

You know why all of a sudden points to some is a big deal? Social media... half the people talking about them have no clue about racing in the first place....

[Nasty55]

Ok, now were getting some where, the points mean nothing if your watching the race to watch the race... Finally I got through to ya... geez took a freakin eternity....

You know why all of a sudden points to some is a big deal? Social media... half the people talking about them have no clue about racing in the first place....

I still Say go back to the old formatt of racing where a guy has to actually Race his way in.... And they race til the end in the point's..... Although i do see your point in a way Mud about points not really mattering til the last 10 races but then again with the old formatt it could of been any team winning championships even the low funded teams.....

[CIRF]

Ok, now were getting some where, the points mean nothing if your watching the race to watch the race... Finally I got through to ya... geez took a freakin eternity....

Before you go and break your arm attempting to pat yourself on the back you need to understand that what I say about the points not meaning anything is a byproduct of the silly chase gimmick. The points have been cheapened to the degree that no one cares who's leading. The only significant points implication is who is currently part of the gimmick and who isn't. Back before the chase gimmick to finish the season in the top 10 in points was a big deal both monetarily and prestige.

The only reason that I personally check the points these days is to see where the dirt open wheel guys are ranked in regards to being part of the year ending points gimmick.

I can't agree social media drives interest in points. Long before social media the championship points were a hot source of interest. I remember well watching the points with great interest to see what kind of points week Terry Labonte had back in 1984 and in 1996. This interest started in June or July and lasted until the last race or whenever Terry clinched. Every year there was a new set of circumstances playing out and a fresh set of drivers in the hunt. This stuff made it interesting all year long. Not anymore.