trump getting rid of ethanol

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  • over4T
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2015
    • 1110

    #16
    Would cause a lot of lost jobs to the farmers, manufacturers and mostly the small engine repairmen, those people that repair or rebuild all your lawnmower, weed whacker, chainsaw and other little engines that are ruined by the ethanol in their fuel.

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    • CIRF
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2007
      • 8122

      #17
      Originally posted by balljoint View Post
      Farmers will do whatever to increase yield. They don't care. Alternating chemicals helps avoid resistant superweeds, but many just use more pesticide. And now it is recommend to drench crops right before harvest to shorten drying time.

      http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/...t-harvest.html

      I know farmers too. My brother is married to a farmgirl. Seems farmers sure like cancer.

      stay away from all corn, soy, canola, sugar beet, wheat biproducts
      You make it sound as if the bulk of the blame for the use/overuses of pesticides lies with the producers. Trust me, it doesn't. I am foursquare against the use of pesticides and genetic alterations being introduced into the human food chain. But reality is this, unless an operator is setting on 3 or 4 generations of accumulated old money and a fair amount land it's essential to use all that is available and use it in quantities that are effective. Even with generations of old money and land it is nearly impossible to successfully buck the trend. The government and DoA policy is the prime reason for this being the case.

      I am quite confident I am far more involved in agriculture production than you are and that involvement dates back decades. Given the circumstances placed on production agriculture since around the mid 1980's there is no viable or competitive alternative to how things are being done today. It would take way too long and way too boring for me to fully clarify all the reasons why. The bottom line is this, don't blame the producer for the over use of pesticides.

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      • formercrewguy
        Senior Member
        • May 2007
        • 987

        #18
        Ethanol is death to an internal combustion engine.

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        • a25rjr
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2016
          • 3774

          #19
          Just to set the record straight, ethanol is made from field corn, not sweet corn that you eat. There was approx. 100 million acres of of field corn and 1 million of sweet corn grown last year.

          There are some food products made from field corn, but very little!

          Field corn producers use very few pesticides as the profit margins do not warrant it.

          Don't listen to the leftist media and whacko environmentalists!
          Turn LEFT, Vote RIGHT!

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          • CIRF
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2007
            • 8122

            #20
            Originally posted by a25rjr View Post
            There are some food products made from field corn, but very little!

            Field corn producers use very few pesticides as the profit margins do not warrant it.

            Don't listen to the leftist media and whacko environmentalists!
            25, you are correct. Very little field corn is processed for direct human consumption and what you buy at the grocery store to have with your T-bone steak and tator's is, in fact, sweet corn. The restrictions on pesticide use on human consumable sweet corn are infinitely more stringent than corn grown for animal feed.

            The overwhelming majority of field corn grown in the U.S. is consumed as feed by meat producing animals. Thus, although indirectly, the pesticide residue that is present in processed field corn fed to meat producing animals enters the human food chain. Probably 98% of all field corn used for animal feed is also genetically altered to allow certain pesticides to be applied without the risk of crop injury. The jury is still out as to whether these genetic plant alterations are detrimental to humans in the long term and to what degree they are detrimental.

            Does anyone really believe that cancer rates in the U.S. are mere coincidences? If you do I'll make you a hell of a deal on some wetlands located in the middle of Death Valley!

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            • golddirt
              Senior Member
              • May 2007
              • 3787

              #21
              You eat more corn and soybeans than you think

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              • kidrock
                Senior Member
                • May 2007
                • 16433

                #22
                Originally posted by golddirt View Post
                You eat more corn and soybeans than you think
                I was thinking the same thing............................

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                • a25rjr
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2016
                  • 3774

                  #23
                  Originally posted by golddirt View Post
                  You eat more corn and soybeans than you think
                  Its less than 1% of your diet.

                  Since I spent 14 years in that business, let me share a couple of other things about the growing of corn. The majority of the corn and soybeans, is fertilized with food-grade materials. Because of their availability, much less is used than traditional dry or liquid fertilizers, usually around 90% less. Because their ph is neutral, you could dink it with no problem (the taste isn't very good, though).

                  This technology started in the mid-west 30 years ago and is finally making its way into every form of plant growth industries!
                  Turn LEFT, Vote RIGHT!

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                  • golddirt
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2007
                    • 3787

                    #24
                    Do you know how many cornflakes I eat? Starch used or corn
                    Oil I use don't forget the beef and pork I eat which the livestock eat

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                    • balljoint
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2011
                      • 1774

                      #25
                      dextrose, glucose, dextrin, maltodextrin, lecithin, fructose, high fructose, vegetable starch, “thickeners”, sweeteners, syrup, vegetable oil, sorbitol, guar gum. Probably more. Read labels. Eat kosher. Cook

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                      • buster83
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2007
                        • 1878

                        #26
                        it would really be great to have straight unleaded gas back. the ethanol not good.

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                        • mudslinger47
                          Banned
                          • May 2007
                          • 3452

                          #27
                          Originally posted by balljoint View Post
                          Full of weedkiller round ready. Chem fallow. Thanks farmers
                          OK... then quit eating.....

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                          • CIRF
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 8122

                            #28
                            Petroleum experts have said repeatedly that if the different gasoline formulations and blends for winter and summer along with the various territorial formulations specific to California and some other places would be done away with or lessened gasoline prices would drop by $1 a gallon immediately.

                            Maybe the new administration will ease these costly regulations. We can all hope so.

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                            • CIRF
                              Senior Member
                              • Jul 2007
                              • 8122

                              #29
                              Originally posted by balljoint View Post
                              dextrose, glucose, dextrin, maltodextrin, lecithin, fructose, high fructose, vegetable starch, “thickeners”, sweeteners, syrup, vegetable oil, sorbitol, guar gum.
                              First off, several of the products listed are not derivatives of field corn.

                              There is more field corn grown in the U.S. fed to meat producing animals in one week than is used throughout a whole year for processing all the products you listed (and also those you didn't list) for direct human consumption.

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                              • balljoint
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2011
                                • 1774

                                #30
                                Originally posted by CIRF View Post
                                First off, several of the products listed are not derivatives of field corn.

                                There is more field corn grown in the U.S. fed to meat producing animals in one week than is used throughout a whole year for processing all the products you listed (and also those you didn't list) for direct human consumption.
                                Cheaper meat. Another plus.

                                Just listed common corn based food additives.

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