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  • Bubstr
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2008
    • 3734

    #31
    Yes I do and not just one party. If you use just a little logic, you can rule out a lot of these fairy tale stories about why they start these wars and I was in one. I believed the BS about fighting there and not here. The domino theory and humanitarian BS. I did my patriotic duty. I sometimes have regrets about it. Why fight a war with your hands tued and after all the people on both sides died the country was worse than it started and the next domino didn't drop and no one thanked us for our service until 50 years later. My one step son fought in Desert storm and Iraqi freedom. He was an interpreter. He said, you know the drillm these people don't want war anymore than we do. They want a good life, education for their kids and to come home and sit in a ez chair and watch TV. War is always a government thing. We just get the joy of fighting them. It is the same for the guy we are trying to kill.

    Just look at the reasons. They say humanitarian. Our country is not humanitarian or they would have stopped the killing of whole villages, women and children in Africa. Even Aids and hunger was left to the churches. Hint Africa didn't have anything we want. They say stability but keep funding and propping up dictators and killing them a few years later. How can you not believe government is the problem? I voted for Trump. I thought he was different. Now I'm not sure. We shall see. I realize Trump has to kiss up to some republicans that hate him, to get anything done, but if the kissing up involves killing our kids and giving our money to war profiteers, I'm not good with that. Are you?

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    • balljoint
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2011
      • 1774

      #32
      Originally posted by Clayton_Wetter View Post
      Such as?...
      PROBLEM BUSTED: JARED KUSHNER IS A CONFIRMED MOLE AND IVANKA IS NOTHING MORE THAN AN EASILY MANIPULATED VALLEY GIRL

      KEY WHITE HOUSE STAFF SPILLED THE BEANS TO THE WASHINGTON FREE BEACON. WE HAVE OUR ANSWER: TRUMP BLINDLY TRUSTS FAMILY, IT IS A CRITICAL WEAKNESS AND KUSHNER IS USING THAT TRUST TO DESTROY THIS COUNTRY. IVANKA IS TOO IMMATURE AND NAIVE TO SEE IT!

      From the Washington Free Beacon:
      White House Senior Adviser Jared Kushner is leading an unprecedented effort to meddle in the White House's National Security Council, causing mayhem for senior staff who say the president's son-in-law is interfering in key foreign policy debates, according to Trump administration officials who spoke to the Washington Free Beacon.

      Kushner has taken aggressive action to micro-manage the NSC, overshadowing even recently installed National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster, according to sources both inside and outside the White House who described Kushner's behavior as highly unusual and damaging to the country's national security infrastructure.

      Never before has a White House permitted such a figure to intervene in the NSC, which is traditionally given leeway to investigate foreign policy matters and bring advice to the president.

      Sources who spoke to the Free Beacon described wide-ranging frustration at the NSC over Kushner's influence over some of the most important foreign policy portfolios, such as Iraq, Israel, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, and China, among others.

      Senior NSC staff are finding their hands tied when it comes to performing even perfunctory duties, such as talking points and statements on high profile issues that must go through Kushner for approval. Sources who spoke to the Free Beacon described this level of involvement as kneecapping the NSC and contributing to its difficulties formulating policy.

      "Kushner is meddling in a lot of things," according to one NSC official who spoke to the Free Beacon only on background. "Such direct control of foreign policy from the West Wing has never happened before. It just creates a lot of drama. People just don't know how to deal with it. We're respectful of his position, but it's confusing the policymaking process."

      Officials working at the NSC, State Department, and Department of Defense "are not happy that Jared is so powerful in foreign policy," said one White House official. "They are expected to implement the president's agenda, but have no input or ability to get ideas in front of Jared. It's a one-man show and that's creating a lot of frustration."



      There is more detail HERE and there you have it folks, the REAL reason why Trump has seriously started to SUCK. He's no doubt whacked out while ziocommie JARED runs the show!

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      • dirtdobber45
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2015
        • 7226

        #33
        I believe that McCain and maybe Graham are involved some how. It has been said not just me that McCain set this up. I believe it happened a couple of months ( I think) McCain was over in the Middle East and on his return he stopped somewhere that wasnt on the agenda. Whose to say that thats when the deal went down? Ill see if I can find the article about why he was over there.
        If I havent offended you please be patient Ill get to you as soon as I can...... and yes Im a Bloomquist fan...deal w it!!! WWG1WGA!!!

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        • dirtdobber45
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2015
          • 7226

          #34
          Originally posted by balljoint View Post
          PROBLEM BUSTED: JARED KUSHNER IS A CONFIRMED MOLE AND IVANKA IS NOTHING MORE THAN AN EASILY MANIPULATED VALLEY GIRLKEY WHITE HOUSE STAFF SPILLED THE BEANS TO THE WASHINGTON FREE BEACON. WE HAVE OUR ANSWER: TRUMP BLINDLY TRUSTS FAMILY, IT IS A CRITICAL WEAKNESS AND KUSHNER IS USING THAT TRUST TO DESTROY THIS COUNTRY. IVANKA IS TOO IMMATURE AND NAIVE TO SEE IT!From the Washington Free Beacon: White House Senior Adviser Jared Kushner is leading an unprecedented effort to meddle in the White House's National Security Council, causing mayhem for senior staff who say the president's son-in-law is interfering in key foreign policy debates, according to Trump administration officials who spoke to the Washington Free Beacon.Kushner has taken aggressive action to micro-manage the NSC, overshadowing even recently installed National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster, according to sources both inside and outside the White House who described Kushner's behavior as highly unusual and damaging to the country's national security infrastructure.Never before has a White House permitted such a figure to intervene in the NSC, which is traditionally given leeway to investigate foreign policy matters and bring advice to the president.Sources who spoke to the Free Beacon described wide-ranging frustration at the NSC over Kushner's influence over some of the most important foreign policy portfolios, such as Iraq, Israel, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, and China, among others.Senior NSC staff are finding their hands tied when it comes to performing even perfunctory duties, such as talking points and statements on high profile issues that must go through Kushner for approval. Sources who spoke to the Free Beacon described this level of involvement as kneecapping the NSC and contributing to its difficulties formulating policy."Kushner is meddling in a lot of things," according to one NSC official who spoke to the Free Beacon only on background. "Such direct control of foreign policy from the West Wing has never happened before. It just creates a lot of drama. People just don't know how to deal with it. We're respectful of his position, but it's confusing the policymaking process."Officials working at the NSC, State Department, and Department of Defense "are not happy that Jared is so powerful in foreign policy," said one White House official. "They are expected to implement the president's agenda, but have no input or ability to get ideas in front of Jared. It's a one-man show and that's creating a lot of frustration."There is more detail HERE and there you have it folks, the REAL reason why Trump has seriously started to SUCK. He's no doubt whacked out while ziocommie JARED runs the show!
          For what its worth Balljoint a quote from Ben Fulford... "In case you find it hard to believe Kushner is a Satanist, you might ask yourself why he bought the building 666 Fifth Avenue that housed a company called Lucent Technology that was developing micro-chips to be implanted into humans i.e. the mark of the beast" And another..."Kushner is now an official target and is not expected to remain long on this planet, CIA and agency sources say."
          If I havent offended you please be patient Ill get to you as soon as I can...... and yes Im a Bloomquist fan...deal w it!!! WWG1WGA!!!

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          • kidrock
            Senior Member
            • May 2007
            • 16433

            #35
            Originally posted by Bubstr View Post
            Yes I do and not just one party. If you use just a little logic, you can rule out a lot of these fairy tale stories about why they start these wars and I was in one. I believed the BS about fighting there and not here. The domino theory and humanitarian BS. I did my patriotic duty. I sometimes have regrets about it. Why fight a war with your hands tued and after all the people on both sides died the country was worse than it started and the next domino didn't drop and no one thanked us for our service until 50 years later. My one step son fought in Desert storm and Iraqi freedom. He was an interpreter. He said, you know the drillm these people don't want war anymore than we do. They want a good life, education for their kids and to come home and sit in a ez chair and watch TV. War is always a government thing. We just get the joy of fighting them. It is the same for the guy we are trying to kill.

            Just look at the reasons. They say humanitarian. Our country is not humanitarian or they would have stopped the killing of whole villages, women and children in Africa. Even Aids and hunger was left to the churches. Hint Africa didn't have anything we want. They say stability but keep funding and propping up dictators and killing them a few years later. How can you not believe government is the problem? I voted for Trump. I thought he was different. Now I'm not sure. We shall see. I realize Trump has to kiss up to some republicans that hate him, to get anything done, but if the kissing up involves killing our kids and giving our money to war profiteers, I'm not good with that. Are you?
            Bubstr not sure why your on here because your making to much sense and this is not a place that under stands that.

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            • dirtdobber45
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2015
              • 7226

              #36
              Originally posted by kidrock View Post
              Bubstr not sure why your on here because your making to much sense and this is not a place that under stands that.
              Especially the Demerals. They dont believe what you say unless it comes from the Clinton News Network or BSNBC...right Kid? LOL
              If I havent offended you please be patient Ill get to you as soon as I can...... and yes Im a Bloomquist fan...deal w it!!! WWG1WGA!!!

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              • gator 49
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2009
                • 188

                #37
                Originally posted by Bubstr View Post
                That is what the Crusaders thought also. If you don't learn from history, you will repeat it. Same with Afghanistan, since med evil times, Afghanistan has been a place where Army's go to die. Ask GB or Russia or even Alexander the great. Even Genghis Khan didn't fair to well.

                This isn't about religion, protection or humanitarian aid. It's about the oil dollar and the people that need that oil dollar and the ones that profit from war, paid to start these wars. Sending our kids there to keep them from invading us is a good story but very hard to believe after it's used over and over.
                very true Bubstr. except Afaghanistan isn't a oil producer. They are the largest Opium producer in the world and that's big money for politicans, and easy to cover up.

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                • Bubstr
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 3734

                  #38
                  Originally posted by dirtdobber45 View Post
                  Especially the Demerals. They dont believe what you say unless it comes from the Clinton News Network or BSNBC...right Kid? LOL
                  All news networks slant or out right lie. What they say depends on the intrests of the owners. The other day one said it was confirmed, the Syria government did the gassing. It's very hard to find any reason, this would benefit Assad. In fact it would be the worse thing, he could ever do to him self. You would have to be crazy and stupid. But the news expected everyone to be stupid enough to believe that story with no facts behind it. Only now are they going to investigate. Which was it, confirmed or investigate? We are not really sure it was gas. The gruesome pictures of the victims where being treated by people not wearing hazmat suits. You do know Serrin gas can get in your system from breathing, food or absorbed threw the skin.

                  It reminds me of another historical event. Randolph Hurst, the newspaper magnate, said something to the effect, that If you give him a few days and his news papers, he would create a reason for a war with Spain. And he did. Sinking of the Maine. That was a century ago and we are no smarter now than then. My advice is, believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see, even if you like what they say. Critical thinking has to make a comeback. Everyone needs to see the problems, before we can do anything about them. Or maybe you don't mind being lied to as long as it's you party.

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                  • a25rjr
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2016
                    • 3774

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Bubstr View Post
                    Yes I do and not just one party. If you use just a little logic, you can rule out a lot of these fairy tale stories about why they start these wars and I was in one. I believed the BS about fighting there and not here. The domino theory and humanitarian BS. I did my patriotic duty. I sometimes have regrets about it. Why fight a war with your hands tued and after all the people on both sides died the country was worse than it started and the next domino didn't drop and no one thanked us for our service until 50 years later. My one step son fought in Desert storm and Iraqi freedom. He was an interpreter. He said, you know the drillm these people don't want war anymore than we do. They want a good life, education for their kids and to come home and sit in a ez chair and watch TV. War is always a government thing. We just get the joy of fighting them. It is the same for the guy we are trying to kill.

                    Just look at the reasons. They say humanitarian. Our country is not humanitarian or they would have stopped the killing of whole villages, women and children in Africa. Even Aids and hunger was left to the churches. Hint Africa didn't have anything we want. They say stability but keep funding and propping up dictators and killing them a few years later. How can you not believe government is the problem? I voted for Trump. I thought he was different. Now I'm not sure. We shall see. I realize Trump has to kiss up to some republicans that hate him, to get anything done, but if the kissing up involves killing our kids and giving our money to war profiteers, I'm not good with that. Are you?
                    No one has forced "our" kids to enlist in the military. If you do, you should expect to defend our country at all costs. In life, you gotta do what your job requirements are, whether you agree or not! if you don't agree, find a new job!
                    Turn LEFT, Vote RIGHT!

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                    • kidrock
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2007
                      • 16433

                      #40
                      Originally posted by dirtdobber45 View Post
                      Especially the Demerals. They dont believe what you say unless it comes from the Clinton News Network or BSNBC...right Kid? LOL

                      I wouldn't know I don't watch any of them. They all have a agenda and the truth evades them when it doesn't fit their agenda.

                      And no it's not just the democrats like you want us to believe.

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                      • kidrock
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2007
                        • 16433

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Bubstr View Post
                        All news networks slant or out right lie. What they say depends on the intrests of the owners. The other day one said it was confirmed, the Syria government did the gassing. It's very hard to find any reason, this would benefit Assad. In fact it would be the worse thing, he could ever do to him self. You would have to be crazy and stupid. But the news expected everyone to be stupid enough to believe that story with no facts behind it. Only now are they going to investigate. Which was it, confirmed or investigate? We are not really sure it was gas. The gruesome pictures of the victims where being treated by people not wearing hazmat suits. You do know Serrin gas can get in your system from breathing, food or absorbed threw the skin.

                        It reminds me of another historical event. Randolph Hurst, the newspaper magnate, said something to the effect, that If you give him a few days and his news papers, he would create a reason for a war with Spain. And he did. Sinking of the Maine. That was a century ago and we are no smarter now than then. My advice is, believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see, even if you like what they say. Critical thinking has to make a comeback. Everyone needs to see the problems, before we can do anything about them. Or maybe you don't mind being lied to as long as it's you party.
                        He doesn't understand what you are saying. Forgive him lol

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                        • Bubstr
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 3734

                          #42
                          Originally posted by a25rjr View Post
                          No one has forced "our" kids to enlist in the military. If you do, you should expect to defend our country at all costs. In life, you gotta do what your job requirements are, whether you agree or not! if you don't agree, find a new job!
                          Do you think for one minute that the government, wouldn't reinstate the draft if they fail to meet the quotas? If not, it seems signing up when your 18, is a big waste of taxpayers money.

                          There are a lot of things that enter into this enlistment deal. One of the main reasons is the minimum wage. Our own government has done a lot to keep it low. Increased immigration, alowing ilegal immigration, anti union and now not letting the kids refi their school loans. Business wants educated employees but they don't want to pay the wage that pays off these school loans. Our kids are not very smart at that age and easy prey for free education to join the Army. Most of them serve 4 years and that is not negotiable and that is all they need most of them for. Cannon fodder as they used to say. So they can't change jobs as you say. Your argument fails.

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                          • Clayton_Wetter
                            Banned
                            • May 2007
                            • 16671

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Bubstr View Post
                            Yes I do and not just one party. If you use just a little logic, you can rule out a lot of these fairy tale stories about why they start these wars and I was in one. I believed the BS about fighting there and not here. The domino theory and humanitarian BS. I did my patriotic duty. I sometimes have regrets about it. Why fight a war with your hands tued and after all the people on both sides died the country was worse than it started and the next domino didn't drop and no one thanked us for our service until 50 years later. My one step son fought in Desert storm and Iraqi freedom. He was an interpreter. He said, you know the drillm these people don't want war anymore than we do. They want a good life, education for their kids and to come home and sit in a ez chair and watch TV. War is always a government thing. We just get the joy of fighting them. It is the same for the guy we are trying to kill.

                            Just look at the reasons. They say humanitarian. Our country is not humanitarian or they would have stopped the killing of whole villages, women and children in Africa. Even Aids and hunger was left to the churches. Hint Africa didn't have anything we want. They say stability but keep funding and propping up dictators and killing them a few years later. How can you not believe government is the problem? I voted for Trump. I thought he was different. Now I'm not sure. We shall see. I realize Trump has to kiss up to some republicans that hate him, to get anything done, but if the kissing up involves killing our kids and giving our money to war profiteers, I'm not good with that. Are you?
                            ISIS and the Muslim militant groups Muslim Brotherhood, al qaeda, Taliban, etc are not Government, they are THE reasons for the killing in the middle east. Or are you going to pin it on us? Or some other government? Sorry but no.

                            Your reasoning is a bit distorted by your experiences, maybe? Yes?

                            You leave them alone and the murdering will eventually be on our on land, and that is a fact.

                            Ignoring murderous dictators in Africa, how is that helping. Ignoring Iran will eventually get us put it the dark, that's a reality. These people have to be dealt with and I'm sorry but the war for OIL excuse is a total cop out.

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                            • Bubstr
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 3734

                              #44
                              Originally posted by gator 49 View Post
                              very true Bubstr. except Afaghanistan isn't a oil producer. They are the largest Opium producer in the world and that's big money for politicans, and easy to cover up.
                              Yes, the Poppy does grow there, but the start of our involvement was when Russia invaded them. Russia has oil and wanted a pipeline to the World threw Afghanistan. The US paid Osama Bin Laudin and armed his army to fight Rusia. Another Frankenstein experiment gone wrong. That is why we are there now. It took out the government and left a void that the only ones powerful enough to fill it, where bad guys that wouldn't work with the US. They didn't have a plan, going in, they don't have a plan now and some day We will just walk out and leave it in worse shape than what we found it.

                              My guess is our Oil Companies lobbied for that war threw that Texan congressman that had oil connections and they made a movie about it and just left out the underhanded stuff out. What was the name of that movie? Foils war or something like that.

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                              • a25rjr
                                Senior Member
                                • Feb 2016
                                • 3774

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Bubstr View Post
                                Do you think for one minute that the government, wouldn't reinstate the draft if they fail to meet the quotas? If not, it seems signing up when your 18, is a big waste of taxpayers money.

                                There are a lot of things that enter into this enlistment deal. One of the main reasons is the minimum wage. Our own government has done a lot to keep it low. Increased immigration, alowing ilegal immigration, anti union and now not letting the kids refi their school loans. Business wants educated employees but they don't want to pay the wage that pays off these school loans. Our kids are not very smart at that age and easy prey for free education to join the Army. Most of them serve 4 years and that is not negotiable and that is all they need most of them for. Cannon fodder as they used to say. So they can't change jobs as you say. Your argument fails.
                                My argument fails...haha! Its called supply and demand. Its also called PATRIOTISM! With all the wars and rumors of wars, the military isn't lacking any volunteers!

                                I would strongly urge any kids, even my own, to join the military! Sign the dotted line, got to college, earn a degree, stay in the military if you like, then retire at an early age. In my business, I see many in their late 30's to early 40's already drawing a retirement from the military. Its a pretty good gig!
                                Turn LEFT, Vote RIGHT!

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