NASCAR Lookin' To Regain Fan Base

[CIRF]

I'm not disputing Nascar is not what it used to be but, still to have 100,000 people attend any event is nothing to sneeze about.

Kid, the Indy 500 draws around 3 times the crowd that the Daytona 500 and IMS has removed not even 1 seat. It's starting to look as if NASCAR is becoming similar to Indy Car in that 1 event a year is relevant with the rest of the venues being sorely empty. Although the Indy Car events at St. Pete and Long Beach actually draw very well but I'm not sure that's due to the racing. It's more of a social event at both tracks.

I would agree, 100,000 people is a lotta' people but the University of Michigan home football games draw more than that 6 times per season at Michigan Stadium.

IIRC, ISC has eliminated somewhere around 68,000 seats at Daytona over the past decade. I think all Raceready was saying is that Daytona would look embarrassingly empty if not for the elimination of all those seats.

the "NASCAR" fans standing up is something that annoys me as well, The announcers are as much to blame with their
"get on your feet" announcements

It is comical when the Outlaws race Vegas during Cup week and the announcer explains over the PA that you must sit down during the races, the Cup crowd looks mystified by that

Rick, the way NASCAR crowds insist on constantly standing is a phenomenon that has always been perplexing. It's impossible to see the action 1 iota better when standing even if you're 7' tall, and when you're 5'2" like my wife it totally ruins the whole experience. I honestly believe there is an element of inbred's that attend NASCAR races that take satisfaction in seeing how annoying they can be to those around them.

The NASCAR style standing up BS is making it's way to the dirt tracks. The announcers at some tracks incite the crowd to stand during the parade/pace laps and fail to implore them to sit the **** down for the green flag and after. The biggest dirt event we attend every year is The Chili Bowl and I am happy to say there is no standing up there. That stuff is pretty well policed by the crowd itself. It could get your ass kicked! LOL!

[kidrock]

Kid, the Indy 500 draws around 3 times the crowd that the Daytona 500 and IMS has removed not even 1 seat. It's starting to look as if NASCAR is becoming similar to Indy Car in that 1 event a year is relevant with the rest of the venues being sorely empty. Although the Indy Car events at St. Pete and Long Beach actually draw very well but I'm not sure that's due to the racing. It's more of a social event at both tracks.

I would agree, 100,000 people is a lotta' people but the University of Michigan home football games draw more than that 6 times per season at Michigan Stadium.

IIRC, ISC has eliminated somewhere around 68,000 seats at Daytona over the past decade. I think all Raceready was saying is that Daytona would look embarrassingly empty if not for the elimination of all those seats.


Again like I said I'm not disputing Nascar is not what it used to be. Ok Michigan Football is more popular than Nascar lol But, like I also said 100,000 people is still a lot of people attending the Race. I don't think Nascar will ever rebound with current leadership in place or at all for that matter but, doesn't mean I won't still watch from time to time.

[balljoint]

Give everyone 20 tires for the weekend

[CIRF]

Again like I said I'm not disputing Nascar is not what it used to be. Ok Michigan Football is more popular than Nascar lol But, like I also said 100,000 people is still a lot of people attending the Race. I don't think Nascar will ever rebound with current leadership in place or at all for that matter but, doesn't mean I won't still watch from time to time.

Michigan football really is far more popular than NASCAR. I'm not sure what that says but it's true, nonetheless.

What is truly amazing about Daytona is that to get into the really good seats for the 500 you are extorted into buying tickets for the qualifiers, trucks and Xfinity races. A close friend bought the package 3 years ago and she told me the face price for the Daytona 500 ticket was in excess of $300.00. That price immediately eliminates a fair amount of market share. If you want to buy a ticket just for the 500 the only ones available are not the best seats. The first few qualifying races we went to were general admission only and the place was literally 10 times more full than what it was for the qualifiers this year.

My personal opinion is that when the new wears off of the new grandstands with the escalators and the cup holders the crowds for even the 500 will wane. It's all relatively new right now and I've talked to any number of people who will go, or want to go, to the 500 merely to see the new grandstands, etc.

Kid, I know you still enjoy NASCAR and I commend you for that. Wish there were a lot more like you. I follow to the extent that I keep track of how guys like Larson, Bell and Briscoe are doing thus I'll watch at least part of the races they are competing in but other than that I find it to be a confusing bore.

[kidrock]

Michigan football really is far more popular than NASCAR. I'm not sure what that says but it's true, nonetheless.

What is truly amazing about Daytona is that to get into the really good seats for the 500 you are extorted into buying tickets for the qualifiers, trucks and Xfinity races. A close friend bought the package 3 years ago and she told me the face price for the Daytona 500 ticket was in excess of $300.00. That price immediately eliminates a fair amount of market share. If you want to buy a ticket just for the 500 the only ones available are not the best seats. The first few qualifying races we went to were general admission only and the place was literally 10 times more full than what it was for the qualifiers this year.

My personal opinion is that when the new wears off of the new grandstands with the escalators and the cup holders the crowds for even the 500 will wane. It's all relatively new right now and I've talked to any number of people who will go, or want to go, to the 500 merely to see the new grandstands, etc.

Kid, I know you still enjoy NASCAR and I commend you for that. Wish there were a lot more like you. I follow to the extent that I keep track of how guys like Larson, Bell and Briscoe are doing thus I'll watch at least part of the races they are competing in but other than that I find it to be a confusing bore.

CIRF one thing is for sure I don't watch it like I did back in the day but, I still do watch it. I watch it for more than the race itself. I enjoy watching the race unfold and how the driver and crew chief make changes to the car throughout the course of the race to make their car better. I have enjoyed announcers like Gordon and JR calling the races because they have a wealth of Knowledge and creditability when they speak.

I for one could care less about Michigan football or football period for that matter. The thing I like about the super bowl is that I know racing and warmer weather is right around the corner lol.

[dirtdobber45]

Since I live 30 min from Bristol and been in and around that track and sport most of my life I can tell you for a fact that most times people came to Bristol to see the wrecks and the heat that came from it. Races were good but the wrecks were what paid the bills. Look back in time at the tracks that are gone... all short tracks and always full. Owners whined about cost to fix the cars and NASCRAP went to mile and half tracks. Everybody has gotten tired of the bs. You want NASCRAP back? Put the short tracks back in the schedule and get rid of the stupid point system!!!!

[CIRF]

CIRF one thing is for sure I don't watch it like I did back in the day but, I still do watch it. I watch it for more than the race itself. I enjoy watching the race unfold and how the driver and crew chief make changes to the car throughout the course of the race to make their car better. I have enjoyed announcers like Gordon and JR calling the races because they have a wealth of Knowledge and creditability when they speak.

I for one could care less about Michigan football or football period for that matter. The thing I like about the super bowl is that I know racing and warmer weather is right around the corner lol.

Gordo really does a great job in the booth. The announcers always have been a minor element to my viewing enjoyment but I actually enjoy listening to Gordo. Back when Barney Hall was lead announcer I'd mute the TV and listen to the MRN guys.

We are a tried and true, Orange & Blue Illini, win or lose for better or for worse kind of family. Given our love and loyalty to the U of I it's natural that in our household Michigan is roundly despised, period. But their popularity and drawing power is undeniable. Love 'em, hate 'em or even if you don't care, they are a force of nature in the sports world, and a pretty good school. Lord, I can't believe I said that! LOL!

Since I live 30 min from Bristol and been in and around that track and sport most of my life I can tell you for a fact that most times people came to Bristol to see the wrecks and the heat that came from it. Races were good but the wrecks were what paid the bills. Look back in time at the tracks that are gone... all short tracks and always full. Owners whined about cost to fix the cars and NASCRAP went to mile and half tracks. Everybody has gotten tired of the bs. You want NASCRAP back? Put the short tracks back in the schedule and get rid of the stupid point system!!!!

Kenny Schrader said it best regarding Bristol. Before Bristol was fixed to accommodate passing without having to wreck a guy and side by side racing was possible Kenny said Bristol was a great "event", not a great race. He added that the spectacle and possibility of altercation is what drew most people to Bristol. You and Schrader are/were absolutely correct. I don't care to watch events where wrecking to pass is require above skill and bravery in order to be competitive thus I didn't really get into Bristol until Bruton changed the banking and made passing possible.

[kidrock]

CIRF yes I despise Michigan as well being a Illini fan lol

[CIRF]

CIRF yes I despise Michigan as well being a Illini fan lol

I knew there was a reason why I like you, Kid, even though you're a left wing hussein hack (you know I'm just kidding!). There it is, anyone who dislikes Michigan and is an Illini fan is ace in my book!! LOLOL! Now, it would only solidify our kindred spirits if you also despise noder daim.

[Clayton_Wetter]

The base died of old age!!! hahahahaaa

[TS FAN]

MNGA. Make Nascar great again!!!!

[kidrock]

I knew there was a reason why I like you, Kid, even though you're a left wing hussein hack (you know I'm just kidding!). There it is, anyone who dislikes Michigan and is an Illini fan is ace in my book!! LOLOL! Now, it would only solidify our kindred spirits if you also despise noder daim.

I will never forget the pain I endured when Michigan beat the Illini in 1989 lol. I truly believe if my memory serves me right but, had Lowell Hamilton not sprained his ankle the game before they lost to Michigan, Illinois would have went on to win the Title.

The tallest guy on that team was Marcus Liberty at 6' 8" Most were between 6' 4" to 6' 6" but, they played much bigger. they were just fun to watch like the 2005 Illini were.

Let me say this about Barack, I never agreed with everything he did but, I didn't despise him like others do and maybe because, I worked around him when he was a Senator in Illinois. I do have a funny story about an interaction I had with him once. It's nothing but, funny after he realized what I said on something he needed. One thing about him, he was a very nice guy and treated everyone the same no matter what your job was. Now as far as others despising him I couldn't understand that until Trump came along and then I realized real fast how they could and I'll leave that right there lol


Oh as far as Notre Dame lets say this I don't despise them like I do Michigan. The one thing I like about Notre Dame is Rudy Ruettiger. That's the kind of work ethic and determination these kids today should see

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+flying+illini&view=detail&mid=3355082A279BFFCDB0193355082A279BFFCDB019&FORM=VIRE

[CIRF]

I will never forget the pain I endured when Michigan beat the Illini in 1989 lol. I truly believe if my memory serves me right but, had Lowell Hamilton not sprained his ankle the game before they lost to Michigan, Illinois would have went on to win the Title.

The tallest guy on that team was Marcus Liberty at 6' 8" Most were between 6' 4" to 6' 6" but, they played much bigger. they were just fun to watch like the 2005 Illini were.

Let me say this about Barack, I never agreed with everything he did but, I didn't despise him like others do and maybe because, I worked around him when he was a Senator in Illinois. I do have a funny story about an interaction I had with him once. It's nothing but, funny after he realized what I said on something he needed. One thing about him, he was a very nice guy and treated everyone the same no matter what your job was. Now as far as others despising him I couldn't understand that until Trump came along and then I realized real fast how they could and I'll leave that right there lol


Oh as far as Notre Dame lets say this I don't despise them like I do Michigan. The one thing I like about Notre Dame is Rudy Ruettiger. That's the kind of work ethic and determination these kids today should see

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...B019&FORM=VIRE

Kid, you touched on a wound that has never fully healed in regards to the Illini and '89 Final Four loss to Michigan. That hurt much worse than 5 years before when the Illini got an ass whoopin' from UCLA in the 1984 Rose Bowl. The '84 Rose Bowl was almost as painful as a death in the family but still not as bad as that odd bounce that sealed the Michigan victory in '89. Oh, by the way, we were at the '84 Rose Bowl. UHG!

Kid, you know I was just kiddin' about the left wing hussein hack. Your experience with hussein gives you a far more credible outlook than I could ever have. I just have to throw a zinger in to the mix once in a while. LOL!

Your dislike for noder daim boosts your ranking substantially. I refer to nd, if I refer to them at all, as the sanctimonious phony hypocrite's from South Bend. They are as slimy as everyone else, and they know it, but they just don't ever admit it. Much like our own 4M GW power boy! LOLOL!

[kidrock]

Kid, you touched on a wound that has never fully healed in regards to the Illini and '89 Final Four loss to Michigan. That hurt much worse than 5 years before when the Illini got an ass whoopin' from UCLA in the 1984 Rose Bowl. The '84 Rose Bowl was almost as painful as a death in the family but still not as bad as that odd bounce that sealed the Michigan victory in '89. Oh, by the way, we were at the '84 Rose Bowl. UHG!

Kid, you know I was just kiddin' about the left wing hussein hack. Your experience with hussein gives you a far more credible outlook than I could ever have. I just have to throw a zinger in to the mix once in a while. LOL!

Your dislike for noder daim boosts your ranking substantially. I refer to nd, if I refer to them at all, as the sanctimonious phony hypocrite's from South Bend. They are as slimy as everyone else, and they know it, but they just don't ever admit it. Much like our own 4M GW power boy! LOLOL!

Oh yes I knew you was just giving me ---- about being a left wing Hussein hack lol

Yes if not for some deep therapy after the 89 loss not sure where I would be lol

I still have the coca cola bottle from I thought 1981 rose bowl but, it could have been 84 I will have to check that out. Oh the pain when some of us Illini fans reflect back on those losses lol

[CIRF]

Oh yes I knew you was just giving me ---- about being a left wing Hussein hack lol

Yes if not for some deep therapy after the 89 loss not sure where I would be lol

I still have the coca cola bottle from I thought 1981 rose bowl but, it could have been 84 I will have to check that out. Oh the pain when some of us Illini fans reflect back on those losses lol

Trust me on this one, Kid, it was the '84 Rose Bowl. It's hard to forget an ass whoopin' like that one! We flew to Los Angeles out of chitcago 3 days after Christmas. Drove to chitcago in a near blizzard. It was -12° when we left home, it was 84° at game time on January 2nd. They played the big bowl games on Jan. 2nd that year because New Year's Day fell on a Sunday and the NFL took precedence on Sunday's. The Rose Bowl is a very cool place and I'd love to go back sometime.