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  • TS FAN
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 4236

    #196
    Originally posted by kidrock View Post
    Which Swamp the old swamp or the new swamp we have?
    You really have gone over the Trump hater edge. That is about as dumb reply as anyone who claims the know something about Washington can make. I am not even going to dignify your inane remark.
    LOLOLLOL

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    • ss12
      Senior Member
      • May 2007
      • 3730

      #197
      More facts on the IMPOTUS.

      WASHINGTON (AP) — The closing passage in President Donald Trump's impeachment-eve letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had the ring of truth to i
      Haters don't really hate you, in fact they hate themselves because you are a reflection of what they wish to be.

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      • Barbecueboy
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2013
        • 18116

        #198
        You left out the most important fact that drives you the most batty......He is and will be your president for another 5 years.

        ENJOY.
        Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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        • Stefan2k4
          Senior Member
          • May 2018
          • 266

          #199
          You can't "fact check" opinions. Anyone who purports to do so, is showing their own bias. This entire so called "impeachment" that isn't even officially an impeachment yet, because the speaker has gotten cold feet, is based on opinions, and not facts. There are no fact witnesses, only those who have opinions about what they think maybe the president might have meant.

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          • Clayton_Wetters
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2019
            • 1053

            #200
            Crooked opinions with a political cause, I will add.
            I'm a copycat wetter... 😎

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            • ss12
              Senior Member
              • May 2007
              • 3730

              #201
              Sounds like a bunch of poster on here that their butts are hurting. If you want bias opinion go watch Hannity and Tucker.
              Haters don't really hate you, in fact they hate themselves because you are a reflection of what they wish to be.

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              • ZERO25
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2018
                • 5240

                #202
                Originally posted by ss12 View Post
                Sounds like a bunch of poster on here that their butts are hurting. If you want bias opinion go watch Hannity and Tucker.
                Only ones butthurting are the Don Lemon, A Cooper, B Shepherd nuthuggers! Just don't drop the soap around them 3......but you've most likely already experienced that!....js

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                • Clayton_Wetters
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2019
                  • 1053

                  #203
                  Bias to the truth though. Not lies and corrupt agendas.
                  I'm a copycat wetter... 😎

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                  • Stefan2k4
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2018
                    • 266

                    #204
                    If you want bias opinion go watch Hannity and Tucker.
                    Are Tucker and Hannity biased? Sure! But they don't hide behind pretense. You know their show is opinion, They don't try to present opinion as fact. That's the problem with the so called "news" today presented by the mainstream media. It's all opinion presented as if it were fact.

                    It's also what this whole so called "impeachment" is about. There is no fact evidence, only opinion. How do you define 'abuse of power"? It's entirely subjective and simply a matter of opinion. Opinions are settled by elections, not prosecution or impeachment. That's what democracy means! Anyone who truly believes in democracy would want this settle in the 2020 election by the ultimate jury, the American people, not by a sham political process disguised as an "tmpeachment".

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                    • fastford
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 4059

                      #205
                      your right stefan , just like it was an opinion that trump was gone with hold funds to Ukraine for personal gain , which he did not , unlike biden who actually , factually directly told the Ukraine pres he was , and sumb!tch , his actually worked and his son got the job , all trump was trying to do was expose the corruption for all of US , DRAIN THE SWAMP.......and i also blame obumer for letting his " CONMAN " get by with it.....
                      Last edited by fastford; 12-24-2019, 08:22 AM.

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                      • ss12
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2007
                        • 3730

                        #206
                        Originally posted by Stefan2k4 View Post
                        Are Tucker and Hannity biased? Sure! But they don't hide behind pretense. You know their show is opinion, They don't try to present opinion as fact. That's the problem with the so called "news" today presented by the mainstream media. It's all opinion presented as if it were fact.

                        It's also what this whole so called "impeachment" is about. There is no fact evidence, only opinion. How do you define 'abuse of power"? It's entirely subjective and simply a matter of opinion. Opinions are settled by elections, not prosecution or impeachment. That's what democracy means! Anyone who truly believes in democracy would want this settle in the 2020 election by the ultimate jury, the American people, not by a sham political process disguised as an "tmpeachment".
                        Hannity is the has the Number one show on cable TV. He is just there to manipulate the conservatives followers. Which he does everyday and the follower take it as fact not known that they are being mislead. Now that is sad and this is why other countries do not allow Fox in their countries. Not all media are misleading and there are some that are reporting facts.

                        The impeachment is in the constitution for a reason. To say there is no factual evidence is bull. There is plenty of factual evidence including the best evidence when the IMPOTUS released the phone call. I'm sure they have more evidence that they are aware of but the IMPOTUS is not cooperating allowing them to verify the evidence. In your theory you would be right let the citizens vote on it. There is only one problem we have a republic. Since you don't seem to have the knowledge of the type of government we have. I will provide you with a couple of videos explaining the differences.




                        Haters don't really hate you, in fact they hate themselves because you are a reflection of what they wish to be.

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                        • fastford
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 4059

                          #207
                          SS, please give a example of an nonfactual thing hannity has said , be sure to state the actual fact he mislead us on , also look up the word FACT before you answer....

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                          • Stefan2k4
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2018
                            • 266

                            #208
                            Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson are opinion shows. They make no bones about it. They both openly disclose the fact they consider themselves conservatives. Their audience knows this and watch because they are like minded people. The "news" reporters on some other networks maintain a pretense they are "unbiased" and pretend they are just reporting the "facts" but their so called "facts" are often not facts at all, but opinions. The "reverand" Al Sharpton on CNN, stating that christians who support Trump are putting Trump above God, is NOT a fact! It's an opinion and while the reverand Al may certainly be entitled to that opinion, there are many who strongly disagree with that opinion. Those people could tell rev Al their opinion of him, but if they did he'd simply scream "racism".

                            The impeachment is in the constitution for a reason.
                            Indeed, it is, for "high crimes and misdemeanors" like "bribery" or "treason". To attempt to use it for purely political reasons, is an abuse of the process.

                            To say there is no factual evidence is bull.
                            The evidence presented in the house was all entirely subjective and broadly open to interpretation, a smile on a dog! Like the "smile on a dog" you interpret it based on the opinions of your own mind's eye.

                            There is plenty of factual evidence including the best evidence when the IMPOTUS released the phone call.
                            then why the need to call more witnesses who will only give their personal opinion of what the presidents words in that transcript perhaps maybe might have meant?

                            There is only one problem we have a republic.
                            No! We have a democratic republic. We all vote for president and those votes are translated into electoral college votes which elects our president. We may not vote directly but our votes still count. And unlike congressmen, everybody in the country votes for president. Adam Schiff, Nancy pelosi, and Jerry Nadler only have to answer to the voters in a small gerrymandered congressional district. The president is accountable to all voters. For them to try to remove a dully elected president flies completely in the face of democracy in every way possible.

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                            • STRONGERTHANDIRT
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2015
                              • 753

                              #209
                              Just read the dems are considering additional articles of impeachment.

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                              • kidrock
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2007
                                • 16407

                                #210
                                Originally posted by Stefan2k4 View Post
                                Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson are opinion shows. They make no bones about it. They both openly disclose the fact they consider themselves conservatives. Their audience knows this and watch because they are like minded people. The "news" reporters on some other networks maintain a pretense they are "unbiased" and pretend they are just reporting the "facts" but their so called "facts" are often not facts at all, but opinions. The "reverand" Al Sharpton on CNN, stating that christians who support Trump are putting Trump above God, is NOT a fact! It's an opinion and while the reverand Al may certainly be entitled to that opinion, there are many who strongly disagree with that opinion. Those people could tell rev Al their opinion of him, but if they did he'd simply scream "racism".



                                Indeed, it is, for "high crimes and misdemeanors" like "bribery" or "treason". To attempt to use it for purely political reasons, is an abuse of the process.



                                The evidence presented in the house was all entirely subjective and broadly open to interpretation, a smile on a dog! Like the "smile on a dog" you interpret it based on the opinions of your own mind's eye.



                                then why the need to call more witnesses who will only give their personal opinion of what the presidents words in that transcript perhaps maybe might have meant?



                                No! We have a democratic republic. We all vote for president and those votes are translated into electoral college votes which elects our president. We may not vote directly but our votes still count. And unlike congressmen, everybody in the country votes for president. Adam Schiff, Nancy pelosi, and Jerry Nadler only have to answer to the voters in a small gerrymandered congressional district. The president is accountable to all voters. For them to try to remove a dully elected president flies completely in the face of democracy in every way possible.
                                Yes it does come down to interpretations of the Constitution and some law professors believe that Abuse of power is a clear violation and comes under the High Crimes and misdemeanor. Now some may not agree that it rises to those standards but, others do so where does that really leave us. They sure thought in Bill Clinton's case lying to congress rose to that level and rightly so and in my opinion this rises to that level as well. That's why I'm for hearing from all witness at this trial and that could change my opinion or solidify it. Time will tell how the Republicans are going to play their hand but, now it's their turn to have a fair trial and I know that the guys here on 4m want a fair trial with witnesses because, they sure where crying loudly on how the house ran their hearings. How about it guys you'll for all the witnesses to testify so, it will be a fair trial don't you?

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