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[Barbecueboy]

Tells me the President doesn't want them to back up what's being told as the truth.
Yes the defeats will be continue but, those who have chosen to vote for impeachment will be standing up for the Constitution and that is all we ask out of them. If we don't stand up for the Constitution we will have a President think he is another Putin and we don't need that here. If you want that move to Russsia.

So I guess you and I will have to disagree.

According to you, SS and the other sky is falling club members Russia has moved in over here.....and you wonder why nobody takes you seriously.

[ALLDIRT]

Yes your right the Democrats believe in the constitution that's why they are voting to impeach this President today but, the same can't be said for the Republicans. They are putting their own party ahead of the constitution. Sad sad sad.

What Bologna , You talk about gullible . If asking about a criminal ( BIDEN ) that
you will find out in the end who the criminal is . I would welcome this information on a
candidate who was running for President . And if the Democrat fools was OK with this ,
it just proves just who is corrupt . So They would impeach a President calling out crime
that was committed . What fools to say he used his power for political gain . Hes already
President . And would be elected again regardless . IDIOTS .

[TS FAN]

Kid is just a Trump hater and his opinion sides with desperate Dems. He makes himself look more foolish the more he posts. He doesn't seem to understand the Dems have no other choice but to engage in this nonsense because they have no candidate to beat Trump. In the meantime, they make fools of people who support their desperation. LOLOLOLOL
BTW their dossier fraud is being exposed by every measure and the lying media ignore it.
This helps the clueless like Kid and SS12 to remain engaged in the fraud. Sad as it gets.

[kidrock]

According to you, SS and the other sky is falling club members Russia has moved in over here.....and you wonder why nobody takes you seriously.

Yes the Russians are in the whitehouse with Trump. Trump must be getting his marching orders from Putin

No I hate to burst your bubble but, I have never wondered why no one takes me seriously because I really could care less. Lol

[kidrock]

What Bologna , You talk about gullible . If asking about a criminal ( BIDEN ) that
you will find out in the end who the criminal is . I would welcome this information on a
candidate who was running for President . And if the Democrat fools was OK with this ,
it just proves just who is corrupt . So They would impeach a President calling out crime
that was committed . What fools to say he used his power for political gain . Hes already
President . And would be elected again regardless . IDIOTS .

Listen I wouldn't be surprised about anything these politicians do and I mean any of them including Trump. I agree something is pretty fishy with the Biden's and hopefully they will get to the truth. No they are going to impeach the President for abusing his powers. He made the mistake by not going to his FBI and having them open an investigation but, when he did it for political gain that is where he made his mistake in my opinion.

[kidrock]

Kid is just a Trump hater and his opinion sides with desperate Dems. He makes himself look more foolish the more he posts. He doesn't seem to understand the Dems have no other choice but to engage in this nonsense because they have no candidate to beat Trump. In the meantime, they make fools of people who support their desperation. LOLOLOLOL
BTW their dossier fraud is being exposed by every measure and the lying media ignore it.
This helps the clueless like Kid and SS12 to remain engaged in the fraud. Sad as it gets.

Just think the Dems had nothing to do with what Trump did on the Ukraine matter Trump did that all by himself and that is what he about to get impeached for. Yes I agree what the FBI did with the FISA applications is just plain wrong and hopefully someone will be brought to justice for it. We can't have the FBI going rouge so, let's see what DUrham comes up with.

There is no fraud when it comes to the Dems on Ukraine that's all on Trump but, your blinded by the love you have for Trump you can't see it.

History is being made today do you have your popcorn ready for later tonight. Wouldn't want you to go hungry lol.

[lurker]

History is being made today do you have your popcorn ready for later tonight.

"There must never be a narrowly voted impeachment or an impeachment substantially supported by one of our major political parties and largely opposed by the other. Such an impeachment would lack legitimacy, would produce divisiveness and bitterness in our politics for years to come. And will call into question the very legitimacy of our political institutions."

- Jerry Nadler Dec 10, 1998, during the Bill Clinton impeachment

[TS FAN]

Quit making sense Lurker. We can't have that!!!

[TS FAN]

Just think the Dems had nothing to do with what Trump did on the Ukraine matter Trump did that all by himself and that is what he about to get impeached for. Yes I agree what the FBI did with the FISA applications is just plain wrong and hopefully someone will be brought to justice for it. We can't have the FBI going rouge so, let's see what DUrham comes up with.

There is no fraud when it comes to the Dems on Ukraine that's all on Trump but, your blinded by the love you have for Trump you can't see it.

History is being made today do you have your popcorn ready for later tonight. Wouldn't want you to go hungry lol.

Still waiting for the crime that deserves impeachment on that phone call. BTW every President from here on out is going to be impeached by congress as our Country fades to black. I probably won't be around to see it, but thank Dems for taking us down the drano drain. Good Job.

[lurker]

" --------- House Democrats, who accuse the president of 1) pressuring Ukraine to open an investigation into the president's political rival and former vice president, Joe Biden, who is also a frontrunner in the 2020 Democratic presidential race. They also 2) charge that the president obstructed their investigation by refusing to comply with subpoenas and directing members of his administration to do the same."

Still waiting for the crime that deserves impeachment on that phone call.

Two House articles of impeachment fail to meet constitutional standards - https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciar...onal-standards

House Democrats have announced the grounds of abuse of power and obstruction of Congress on which they plan to seek the impeachment of President Trump. Neither of these proposed articles satisfy the express constitutional criteria for an impeachment, which are limited to “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.” Neither are high or low crimes or misdemeanors. Neither are mentioned within the Constitution.

Both are so vague and open ended that they could be applied in partisan fashion by a majority of the House against almost any president from the opposing party. Both are precisely what the Framers had rejected at their Constitutional Convention. Both raise the “greatest danger,” in the words of Alexander Hamilton, that the decision to impeach will be based on the “comparative strength of parties,” rather than on “innocence or guilt.”

That danger is now coming to pass, as House Democrats seek for the first time in American history to impeach a president without having at least some bipartisan support in Congress. Nor can they find any support in the words of the Constitution, or in the history of its adoption. A majority of the House is simply making it up as they go along in the process, thus placing themselves not only above the law but above the Constitution.


In doing this, they follow the view of Representative Maxine Waters who infamously declared that, when it comes to impeachment, “there is no law.” From her view, shared by some others, the criteria for impeaching a president is whatever a majority of the House says it is, regardless of what the Constitution mandates. This reductionistic and lawless view confuses what a majority of the House could get away with, if there is no judicial review, and what the mandated duty of all House members is, which is to support, defend, and apply the Constitution as written, not as it can be stretched to fit the actions of an opposition or controversial president.

If the House votes to impeach President Trump on grounds not authorized by the Constitution, its action, in the words of Hamilton, is void. As he put it in the Federalist Papers, “no legislative act, therefore, contrary to the Constitution, can be valid.” If this is indeed the case, then the Senate will be confronted with a constitutional dilemma, if and when it will receive a void and invalid impeachment. It will have to decide whether to proceed with a trial of charges that are unconstitutional and therefore are void.

An analogy to consider from ordinary criminal cases may be imperfect but informative. If a grand jury were to indict a citizen on an unconstitutional “crime,” like marrying a person of a different race, the trial judge would immediately dismiss the indictment and refuse to subject the defendant to a trial. Indeed, the House plays a role similar to that of a grand jury in the impeachment context, and the Senate plays a role similar to the trial court. In the presidential impeachment context, the chief justice of the Supreme Court presides and rules on the legal and evidentiary issues.

This is all uncharted ground, and it is difficult to predict how it will play out in the short term. In the long term, it is highly unlikely that President Trump will be removed by a two-thirds vote in the Senate controlled by Republicans. However, in the meantime, the unconstitutional action by a majority of the House to impeach a president on grounds not specified in the Constitution will certainly do considerable damage to the rule of law

[kidrock]

Still waiting for the crime that deserves impeachment on that phone call. BTW every President from here on out is going to be impeached by congress as our Country fades to black. I probably won't be around to see it, but thank Dems for taking us down the drano drain. Good Job.

If they do what this President has done then yes they will be impeached. Hopefully from now on others will learn from this and never go down that path again. You don't ask a foreign government to find dirt on a political foe. If he truely thought the BIden's were up to no good they then go to the FBI AND HAVE THEM INVESTIGATE that's what they are there for but, that's what not what he did so, now we are here we are.

[kidrock]

"There must never be a narrowly voted impeachment or an impeachment substantially supported by one of our major political parties and largely opposed by the other. Such an impeachment would lack legitimacy, would produce divisiveness and bitterness in our politics for years to come. And will call into question the very legitimacy of our political institutions."

- Jerry Nadler Dec 10, 1998, during the Bill Clinton impeachment

Yep nothing more than a hypocrite

[lurker]

(not a nice word)I agree something is pretty fishy with the Biden's and hopefully they will get to the truth.

Joe Biden on Ukraine, Billion Dollars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnIPw_Who7E
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Here’s Why The Justice Department Must Investigate Joe Biden’s “Quid Pro Quo” -(not a nice word)https://thegreggjarrett.com/heres-wh...-quid-pro-quo/

Democrats are determined to pursue their fanciful impeachment of President Trump based on an imaginary “quid pro quo.” Rep. Schiff and others have even suggested that even if there was no(not a nice word) “quid pro quo,” the Ukraine call could still be grounds for impeachment.

There is, of course, no evidence of a “quid pro quo” in President Trump’s telephone conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on July 25, 2019.(not a nice word) The transcript of the call shows no pressure, no condition, and no demand for anything. This is corroborated by the statements of Zelensky who confirmed that there was no blackmail involved during the call and no pressure applied. (not a nice word)“Nobody pushed me,” Zelensky said.(not a nice word) We had a great phone call,” he added.(not a nice word) “It was normal.”

Ironically, there is evidence of a clear “quid pro quo” in Joe Biden’s threat to the Ukrainian government when he was Vice President and served as the point-person on Ukraine.(not a nice word) At a public forum, Biden is seen bragging on camera that he warned the Kiev government in early 2016 that he would withhold $1 billion in American aide unless a Ukrainian prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, was fired.(not a nice word) Shokin has said in interviews that he was sacked because his investigators were “on his (Hunter Biden’s) tail” in a case of suspected corruption involving Burisma where the V-P’s son held a board seat for which he was not remotely qualified.

Joe Biden’s boast about his “quid pro quo” is compelling evidence that he may have used his public office to confer a benefit ($1 billion) in exchange for something of value –shutting down an investigation to help his son.(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)

Yet, Democrats and the media would have you believe that Trump’s non-existent “quid pro quo” is an impeachable offense which demands his removal from office, whereas Biden’s “quid pro quo” is perfectly acceptable.(not a nice word) It is not. Here’s why Congress and the Department of Justice should investigate Biden’s actions.(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)

JOE BIDEN’S QUID PRO QUO(not a nice word)(not a nice word)

Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (15 USC 78dd-1) Passed in 1977 and later amended, this law criminalizes foreign bribery.(not a nice word) It is illegal for a U.S. person to coerce or influence, through bribery or extortion, a foreign nation into taking action that might financially benefit that person, his family or business. (not a nice word) If it can be shown that Biden, as V-P, used his public office to influence or coerce a foreign official into taking official action that benefited Biden’s son, then this would be a violation. Much depends on Biden’s intent.(not a nice word) In his defense, he would have to demonstrate that his intent had nothing to do with Ukraine’s investigation of Hunter Biden’s company, Burisma. However, the fired prosecutor is on record stating that Biden’s threat to withhold $1 billion in U.S. aid was motivated by, or related to, his investigation of Burisma.(not a nice word)

Bribery (18 USC 201) Whoever corruptly gives, offers or promises anything of value to a public official to influence an official act his guilty of bribery.(not a nice word) The government must show there was a corrupt intent to obtain a quid pro quo, although it may be implied, not explicit or expressed.

Gratuities (18 USC 201) Giving, offering or promising anything of value to a public official in exchange for any official act is a violation of the gratuities statute.(not a nice word) It is similar to bribery, although it does not require proof of a quid pro quo or corrupt intent.(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)

Hobbs Act Extortion (18 USC 1951) A threat to a foreign official in order to obtain an official benefit affecting interstate or foreign commerce would constitute extortion under the Hobbs Act.

[kidrock]

TS FAN just for you

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-cohen-guilty-plea-lindsey-graham-a8503146.html

[Clayton_Wetters]

So the dems facts are based on fiction? Is that why the republicans didn't try to discredit the democrats evidence and tries to discredit the process? Most citizens know when you have a guilty person you go after the process. if you have an innocent person go after the evidence.

You don't legitimize fake evidence....