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  • dirtMAN007
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2008
    • 5691

    #136
    Originally posted by kidrock View Post
    Now that we are in the TRIAL phase it would be nice to hear from everyone. Call your senators and tell them you want to hear from the Biden's, Mick, John, Pompeo, Perry and lets see if they corroborate what others have already testified under oath. Then we will see who's lying and who isn't. I would think the President would welcome that. It could exonerate him and he wouldn't have have the people in the country believing he is guilty and needs to be removed from office.
    No need to prove your innocence in this great country , your innocence is a given until PROVEN guilty ! You libtards had your chance but blew it ! He l l even illegals are afforded that right !

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    • fastford
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2008
      • 4059

      #137
      dirtman , i think it is the definition of the word FACTS that they are having the most trouble with , when one starts interpreting hear say and second and third hand info as FACT , well , there is your problem , now what lurker posted about yonavovitch is a fact , but with there new interpretation of the word fact , it will be over looked....

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      • kidrock
        Senior Member
        • May 2007
        • 16407

        #138
        Originally posted by fastford View Post
        dirtman , i think it is the definition of the word FACTS that they are having the most trouble with , when one starts interpreting hear say and second and third hand info as FACT , well , there is your problem , now what lurker posted about yonavovitch is a fact , but with there new interpretation of the word fact , it will be over looked....
        Really I'm asking for all to testify. Not so sure what so hard to figure out here. We have people who have already testified and now we should have those with first hand knowledge either corroborate their testimony or show they have been lying. How about it you guys want it or are you afraid what they might say. I know I'm not bring it on. Only if your guilty would you keep people from testifying. If your innocent let them tell your side and exonerate you. Let the FACTS come out and then lets see who has a problem with FACTS.

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        • ALLDIRT
          Senior Member
          • May 2010
          • 1214

          #139
          Originally posted by lurker View Post
          Please cut and paste and post the part of the phone conversation that you are referencing above, from the linked Whitehouse PDF.

          Telephone Conversation with President Zelenskyy of Ukraine -
          https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-conten...ied09.2019.pdf
          lurker , don't you love how gullible they are . They are easy prey for the Democrats .

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          • Clayton_Wetters
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2019
            • 1053

            #140
            Originally posted by kidrock View Post
            Really I'm asking for all to testify. Not so sure what so hard to figure out here. We have people who have already testified and now we should have those with first hand knowledge either corroborate their testimony or show they have been lying. How about it you guys want it or are you afraid what they might say. I know I'm not bring it on. Only if your guilty would you keep people from testifying. If your innocent let them tell your side and exonerate you. Let the FACTS come out and then lets see who has a problem with FACTS.
            Total nonsense, as usual.
            I'm a copycat wetter... 😎

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            • dirtMAN007
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2008
              • 5691

              #141
              Originally posted by Clayton_Wetters View Post
              Total nonsense, as usual.
              Trump Hatred ..................................pure and simple !

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              • $bill
                Senior Member
                • May 2007
                • 237

                #142
                Hey guys............Doobie is legal now........
                If yall would try it maybe we could solve some things............
                Back in the early 70s it sure worked for us..........
                Solved everything in the world.......But we forgot in the morning.....
                ......never mind.....................BB

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                • kidrock
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2007
                  • 16407

                  #143
                  Originally posted by Clayton_Wetters View Post
                  Total nonsense, as usual.
                  What are you afraid of? Let them all testify and end once and for all. Half the American people are going to believe he is guilty if nothing else comes from this.. He could be exonerated by having them testify come on Trump if it was a perfect call what are you afraid of.

                  You can think it's nonsense but I don't. ALL TO TESTIFY TESTIFY TESTIFY YES OR NO
                  MY VOTE IS TO TESTIFY WHATS YOURS?

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                  • fastford
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 4059

                    #144
                    Originally posted by kidrock View Post
                    Really I'm asking for all to testify. Not so sure what so hard to figure out here. We have people who have already testified and now we should have those with first hand knowledge either corroborate their testimony or show they have been lying. How about it you guys want it or are you afraid what they might say. I know I'm not bring it on. Only if your guilty would you keep people from testifying. If your innocent let them tell your side and exonerate you. Let the FACTS come out and then lets see who has a problem with FACTS.
                    i am all in kid , as long as we start with the beginning of the last administration , as in the conversation with obummer and puttin , the Benghazi debacle , the crooked joe biden and son deal , and the fake dossier that clinton , with help from obummer , tried to under mine our sitting pres before he was even elected , which is all just the tip of the ice burg , if this happens , then yes kid , i agree with you 100% , dont hold your breath though....lol.... BTW , if you looked up the definition of FACT , then you know none of the incriminating things they have tried to use against trump are NOT based on facts....

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                    • kidrock
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2007
                      • 16407

                      #145
                      Originally posted by fastford View Post
                      i am all in kid , as long as we start with the beginning of the last administration , as in the conversation with obummer and puttin , the Benghazi debacle , the crooked joe biden and son deal , and the fake dossier that clinton , with help from obummer , tried to under mine our sitting pres before he was even elected , which is all just the tip of the ice burg , if this happens , then yes kid , i agree with you 100% , dont hold your breath though....lol.... BTW , if you looked up the definition of FACT , then you know none of the incriminating things they have tried to use against trump are NOT based on facts....
                      Sounds good to me but after 10 or 11 Benghazi hearings I think that dog has already walked but, hey if you want another hearing on so be it bring it on.

                      Then I would think everyone would want the facts to come out then. Let's hear from them all. I don't care who goes down as long as justice is served no matter what party affiliation they are from.

                      We need to see how corrupt our government is. Need to expose all these coverups including the current administration. Don't forget to include Trump and Putin private conversation as well


                      Thats 2 anyone else want to join in?
                      Last edited by kidrock; 01-02-2020, 05:26 PM.

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                      • ss12
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2007
                        • 3730

                        #146
                        That’s exactly what I thought your response would be. Citing second-hand testimony, from sources not directly involved in the phone call. That point I just made is fact based established. You do understand that the credibility of the majority of the “witnesses” is, IMHO, weak at very best, and fairly one-sided anti-Trump. Also, I hope you realize that Marie Yovanovitch perjured herself before Congress during her (see attached link below) impeachment inquiry testimony. The mainstream news doesn’t cover items like that as it does not fit the narrative or view ship they seek.

                        I think this comes down to personal interpretation regarding ones predisposed opinion about Trump. Nothing more, nothing less. And I’m fine with that. If you don’t like Trump, that’s fine and its your right. Just be honest (transparent / direct) about it, and any predisposed judgment you might have, when posting.

                        I’m all for rule of the law and impeachment if needed. But in this case, its my opinion impeachment is not needed, given the facts I’ve read, listened to, and the impeachment inquiry itself I watched most of on television. Not just fake news sound bites from any chosen network ----- but the impeachment inquiry itself, and I watched the greater majority of it.


                        Yuriy Lutsenko says Yovanovitch perjured herself before Congress -


                        Lurker are you sure you want to use Yurity Lutsenko as a factual witness? In a articles on 10-1-19 in the Guardian he stated' "Lutsenko has since said that the investigation did not show that the Biden family had broken any laws in Ukraine". If you are going to believe him there is no since having the Biden's to testify in any hearing.

                        As far as your Lutsenko and Yovanovitch story it was reported in The Hill in 03/19. If you go back and watch the video around the 2:40 mark you will hear that Lutsenko tore up the evidence. No evidence it's his work against hers. Now if he had the paper that she had written the alleged request then that would be facts.

                        Here is another good article on Lutsenko that you might like to read.

                        If you read the whistleblower’s complaint on President Trump’s Ukrainian scandal, you could be forgiven for believing Lutsenko is a genius.
                        Haters don't really hate you, in fact they hate themselves because you are a reflection of what they wish to be.

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                        • Clayton_Wetters
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2019
                          • 1053

                          #147
                          Originally posted by kidrock View Post
                          What are you afraid of? Let them all testify and end once and for all. Half the American people are going to believe he is guilty if nothing else comes from this.. He could be exonerated by having them testify come on Trump if it was a perfect call what are you afraid of.

                          You can think it's nonsense but I don't. ALL TO TESTIFY TESTIFY TESTIFY YES OR NO
                          MY VOTE IS TO TESTIFY WHATS YOURS?
                          My vote is to end the lies and lame biased fake witnesses. Whatever they are supposed to have witnessed has not even been stated. The witch hunt must end.
                          I'm a copycat wetter... 😎

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                          • dirtMAN007
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 5691

                            #148
                            Who is the “he” you refer to in your statement about Yuri ?
                            Last edited by dirtMAN007; 01-02-2020, 06:42 PM.

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                            • lurker
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2017
                              • 3186

                              #149
                              Originally posted by ss12 View Post
                              -------
                              I follow you, and you make a few good points.

                              Even though I am very anti-impeachment inquiry and trial, I’d say at this point, I’ll concede --------- Bring out everyone from the woodwork, and let them testify. (because it is probably best for both parties and our country at this time) Whatever the outcome is, let the chip fall where they may and lets move on to the next grandiose political theater. Accept the outcome no matter the R/D party. Honestly, IMHO, this whole impeachment debacle is so divisive to our Country, it will take a lot to heal either sides wounds. Its very sad.

                              Originally posted by kidrock View Post
                              -----------
                              Asked and answered, cool?

                              Originally posted by Clayton_Wetters View Post
                              My vote is to end the lies and lame biased fake witnesses. Whatever they are supposed to have witnessed has not even been stated. The witch hunt must end.
                              And I would agree, that is why I’ll concede.

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                              • lurker
                                Senior Member
                                • Dec 2017
                                • 3186

                                #150
                                This is where it gets even more mind boggling, Republican or Democrat.

                                Newly revealed email says Trump directed aid freeze - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnmg1kWHUMg&t=178s

                                Where the he@# was this during the impeachment inquiry? Just all of a sudden we found this tidbit. Bang it fell in our lap. Talk about poor due diligence on both sides of the aisle. This crap amazes me more and more every day.
                                Last edited by lurker; 01-02-2020, 07:17 PM.

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