The Debate!!!

[Buford.Justice]

Yous guys are so blindly partisan that the morality and political beliefs of the people you support reflects just how poor your characters are. The nation actually suffers very much from the very people that you all stand with and for.

[Buford.Justice]

Joe Biden Was Horrified When He Heard the FBI Received This Letter


Joe Biden counted on the mainstream media to cover up Hunter Biden’s underhanded business deals.

But even that isn’t enough to get him off the hook.

Joe Biden was horrified when he heard the FBI received this letter.

Senate Republicans released the report on what they had found investigating Hunter Biden’s overseas deals.

Obama officials knew that Hunter Biden was getting prodigious foreign positions he was unqualified for merely because he was the Vice President’s son.

“The presence of Hunter Biden on the Burisma board was very awkward for all U.S. officials pushing an anticorruption agenda in Ukraine,” wrote former Acting Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, Ukraine, George Kent in 2016.

State Department official Amos Hochstein raised concerns about Hunter Biden’s foreign dealings in 2015 to the Vice President himself.

The report further disclosed that Hunter Biden received a $3.5 million wire transfer from Elena Baturina, the wife of the former Mayor of Moscow.

The Senate reports state that the Obama administration “knew that Hunter Biden’s position on Burisma’s board was problematic and did interfere in the efficient execution of policy with respect to Ukraine.”

While the FBI was quick to investigate Trump’s campaign in 2016 based off of the unverified findings of the Steele dossier, it’s unclear whether these findings will prompt the agency to act to investigate Joe Biden.

Rep. Jim Jordan, ranking member on the House Judiciary Committee, sent a letter to FBI Director Christopher Wray asking whether the FBI will be investigating the allegations against Hunter Biden.

Jordan specifically asked Wray:

Is the FBI investigating Hunter Biden’s receipt of $3.5 million from the wife of the former mayor of Moscow?
Is the FBI investigating Hunter Biden’s payment of “thousands of dollars” to individuals involved in human trafficking and organized prostitution?
Is the FBI investigating Hunter Biden’s Chinese transactions “involv[ing] potential criminal financial activity”?
What actions did the FBI take after George Kent made it aware of the $7 million bribe paid by Ukrainian oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky to the Ukrainian prosecutor general?
Jordan noted that Amos Hochstein personally spoke to Biden about his concerns about his son’s activities.

“In addition, senior State Department official George Kent raised concerns to the FBI about a $7 million bribe paid by Zlochevsky to Ukraine’s prosecutor general seven months after Hunter Biden joined Burisma’s board. [Chairman Grassley] noted that they had asked the FBI about its actions in response to these allegations, but have received no answer from you,” Jordan wrote.

It seems that the FBI may have partisan interest in investigating Republicans and not Democrats.

Also, it is important to know that Biden’s foreign policy hasn’t been influenced by payments to his son.

[lurker]

Klem and ss12 -

My opinion and opinion only; Party aside, I think the lack of Civility of Biden and Trump showed to me as non-Presidential. It was more of an attack session than a debate. It was missing Substance on both sides too.

[lurker]

i have a problem with any one that doesn't vote. ---- they usually complain about government more than those who's side lost. and yet they chose not to participate.

I work with those people every day. Its sad!!!

---- and not a fan of those wasting their vote on a non-viable 3rd party candidate either.

As a Libertarian, Jo Jorgenson just isn’t the right person.

[lurker]

ss12 / Proud Boys

ss12 -

Up until now, when I vetted the term “Proud Boys“, I didn’t even know what they were per say or what they stood for (according to wiki) ---- it was a not even on my radar situation.

While Trump might not have disavowed Proud Boys when he had the chance, which is bad --- Biden didn’t disavowed Antifa either, which is bad also.

Both are numbskulls on this.

[ss12]

Biden did reply to Antifa "its an idea not an organization". Trump's F.B.I. Chris Wray indicated the same "Antifa is more of an ideology than an organization". Trump has more to worry about Antifa than Biden. Antifa - Antifascist Fascism - Trump

[Barbecueboy]

And Biden was wrong.....again.

[MUD MAESTRO]

Rose City Antifa....Antifa Seven Hills.....Antifa Sacramento....Atlanta Antiifacictss, All known subversive groups with an Idea of hate and destruction of American institutions and values. They are the true fascists, Sorry FBI Director Wray, Antifa is a well funded and a real organized group.

[MUD MAESTRO]

Who are the Proud Boys? White males, Mexican American, African American, Asian American folk that drive pick up trucks, own those notorious long guns, legally i might add and shop at Walmart. Another words Hillary's Deplorables. They believe its there right to protect their property and family when no other protection is afforded to them. They aren't burning, looting or getting in your face at restaurants. KKK, American Nazi Party, American Communist Party and Antifa are the real bad guys. Can't say i know any of those scum but I do know many deplorables.

[Barbecueboy]

Rose City Antifa....Antifa Seven Hills.....Antifa Sacramento....Atlanta Antiifacictss, All known subversive groups with an Idea of hate and destruction of American institutions and values. They are the true fascists, Sorry FBI Director Wray, Antifa is a well funded and a real organized group.

I think that they think if they say antifa isn't a group enough times they will quit being a group and start being just an idea......idiots, all of em.

Great post Mud.

[klemmabyna]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-fbi-christopher-wray-replaced-antifa-russia-china

"During the hearing, Wray said Antifa was a “real thing,” but told lawmakers he defined it as “a movement or an ideology” rather than an organized group."

who is this Wray person? oh that's right! he was appointed by Trump to replace Comey, who Trump got rid of.

the poor president just can't find enough yes men these days.

[lurker]

ss12 and Klem -

ss12 and Klem -

I follow what you’re getting at regarding Antifa and Biden’s statement. Again, I follow the point you are making so I‘m clear. As I had the Debate on DVR, I listened to that part of the Debate a few times since I posted last. My opinion, Biden did not denounce Antifa in a verbal way that satisfied me personally. Fair enough?

My thoughts; what ever you want to classify Antifa as, they are just as bad as other classified “groups,” as in the ideology and actions of white supremacist, neo-Nazi‘s, skinheads, and to some degree, the KKK, and other far-far Alt-Right movement groups. Again, fair enough?

Semantics or word play, and diminished ---- The mainstream news organizations that you might watch or read, have greatly played down the, what I call a domestic terrorist organization, known as Antifa. Again, fair enough?

Thanks to both of you for the Civility with me in these postings.

[klemmabyna]

lurker: absolutely fair enough. i enjoy discussion and debate. and i am not here to say the antifa movement is any less of a problem than the more organized and public groups from either side that have chosen to interject themselves in places that they do not belong.

again, my frustration is the polarization in politics. i understand this is nothing new. but i am disgusted when people elected to represent all of us forget who they represent and only follow the party line. i would like to believe they all had honest good hearted intentions when they chose to run for office. unfortunately they find out the system is much harder to change than they thought and end up getting sucked into the "swamp".

and that swamp is deeper and more divided than ever.

[Rajflyboy]

KlemThis country needs LAW AND ORDER. Biden does not care about this subject.

[lurker]

again, my frustration is the polarization in politics. i understand this is nothing new. but i am disgusted when people elected to represent all of us forget who they represent and only follow the party line. i would like to believe they all had honest good hearted intentions when they chose to run for office. unfortunately they find out the system is much harder to change than they thought and end up getting sucked into the "swamp".

100% spot-on.

and that swamp is deeper and more divided than ever.

You can say that again.

As I’ve noted before, it’s the division of the “population” that concerns me the most. I think we, the people, are headed down the path of no return --- no matter the election outcome. I hope I’m wrong about this and BBQboy is right.