Ford electric F-150

[lurker]

So, who would look better and who would it benefit more from propping up the numbers Ford or the Government?

I’d agree, both.

[lurker]

With all the ev chatter on here and gas powered vehicles soon to be a thing of the past I would have though the number of actual ev on the road in the US would have been exponential larger.

Just to clarify --- The EV sales number that I posted are for 2019 only. While the total number sold in the USA since 1999 are 1.4 million plug-in EV’s and 5.4 million hybrids. Still minuscule in the grand scheme on things all things considered.

This is interesting data also - https://www.statista.com/statistics/...es-since-1990/

[Osiris125]

Most companies I've seen (Stellantis, Ford, GM, etc.) vary somewhat on what they actually expect to happen, but generally have set 2030-2035 as the point where EVs hit substantial portions of new vehicle sales. For Stellantis (owners of Dodge/Jeep/Ram), they've announced that their plans involve American sales being about 35% by 2030 while in Europe, 70% of sales will be EV's. We still have 8.5 years to go, so it should be expected that EV usage is still low. Especially until better infrastructure is more widespread in the US.

[kidrock]

Both........

That's what I'm thinking.

[Barbecueboy]

Both........

[kidrock]

So, who would look better and who would it benefit more from propping up the numbers Ford or the Government?

[Barbecueboy]

With all the ev chatter on here and gas powered vehicles soon to be a thing of the past I would have though the number of actual ev on the road in the US would have been exponential larger.

I just threw that 250k number out as a baseline......thanks for that info.

[lurker]

Maybe if I changed it around a little and said it this way.......When ford ev trucks are readily available for the road does anyone want to wager that out of the first 250 thousand of them sold over 1/2 of them will be to government municipalities and federal agencies?

A couple of points here, Barbecueboy ----

1) The total number of ALL EV’s sold in the USA was just a minuscule 326,664 in 2019. And knowing the overall sold EV number have been trending downwards since 2019, I’d say your 250,000 number is off, quite a bit off. You can search this site for the total units sold per manufacturer as it has a user friendly scrollable graph https://afdc.energy.gov/data/

Now knowing that.

2) Anyone want to do the math to see how long it will take the Ford Lightning EV to reach “your projected bet” sales number of 250,000 --- knowing the most popular EV, the Tesla Model 3 only sold 154,840 units in 2019. With the Toyota Prius PHEV being second at only 23,630 units sold in 2019.

To your point.

I say IMHO, that out of the first 250,000, those will be to government municipalities, federal agencies, local and state, and coupled with fleet and commercial sales ---- I say your ½ number is in the ballpark but will take much-much longer than a year using the 250,000 number. Honestly, I’d be shocked if Ford builds more than 250,000 in the first 3 years as EV sales have been spiraling downward.

As of 2019, the U.S. Government had 645,000 vehicles in service, and all of those will be replaced under the Biden administration, Biden said --- so maybe the Government will step in with a big Ford Lightning EV contract for Ford to boost bottom line numbers so those numbers look good.

[Barbecueboy]

Maybe if I changed it around a little and said it this way.......When ford ev trucks are readily available for the road does anyone want to wager that out of the first 250 thousand of them sold over 1/2 of them will be to government municipalities and federal agencies?

I'll take the over on it.

[Barbecueboy]

While some would rather not ask the right furthering questions, thus choosing to drone on debating and opining endlessly.

Opining.....lol.

Wonder if oisis will google that one so he can dispute it like he did judge schmales nephew Spaulding?

[lurker]

Lurker I'm not doubting what your saying -----

I know that, knew that all along.

[kidrock]

Lurker I'm not doubting what your saying and if your past experiences tell you that then I would go with that.

[kidrock]

Hitler's cat was truly sincere! hehe

Think about that for a minute. A cat more sincere then you will ever be. lmao!!!!

[kidrock]

Lurker that makes sense. The debate is on hold lol............................................

[lurker]

And kidrock ---- If passed, the “Tax” credit on 10 new Ford Lightning EV trucks is last estimated at $75K, or $7.5k per truck, last I looked. That’s huge to say a local lawn service company the qualifies for Ford Fleet or Commercial sales. That’s like 1 or 2 trucks savings that don’t cost you a penny in the end.

JMHO, from past “gut” experience ---- I’d say a secondary amount (small) of the published Ford sales numbers on the Lightning EV truck are Ford Fleet or Commercial sales, as well as Local and State Government. Again, that’s past experiences and my personal opinion.

Ford Lightning EV truck verifiable sales number (who bought them) should be public at some time in the future, so we’ll all know at that time. Until then, it’s a stalemate for the debaters. lol-haha