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  • Morgs153
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2020
    • 857

    #61
    The example of Comey's actions in October 2016 is a unique one. You can bet it was something he absolutely didn't want to do because the cover for Hillary was already laid down. It was the revelations of the Anthony Weiner scandal and his connection to Hillary's aid Huma Abedin and their access to info that was on Hillary's device(s) that made them reopen the matter just before the election. Comey gave it another inelegant smooth over. It can be debated whether the incident hurt Cankles and helped Trump but in the end, she was a lousy and unlikable candidate and probably lost all on her own.

    As far as Whitewater and the special counsel is concerned I'll admit, that made me take a second look at the employment of special counsels. Once a SC is appointed, it becomes a never-ending free for all and that sword cuts both ways. But, that being said, during that time the Clintons were notorious for slow dragging any cooperation in the matter. The duration and timeline of Whitewater lays at their feet. I still remember the lines, "Oh that's old news. Oh you're still talking about that?" They made Ken Starr work for everything he got.

    Fast forward a little bit and the big budget battle between the Gingrich congress and Bill Clinton was on. Remember the government shutdown? Clinton was very famous for saying, bring it on, we'll blame it on Gingrich, and the voters will believe us. Clinton got his way. Because government was shut down there was less staff on hand. It made it possible for Bill Clinton to meet young staffer Monica Lewinsky in a happy accident of fate. She was delivering him a pizza if I recall. Then things blossomed after that, you might say even - exploded. The fate of the incident was a creation of their political manipulation of the shutdown. The only thing worse than getting what you want - is sometimes getting just what you want.

    More slow dragging by the Clintons and more tenacity by Ken Starr and the blue dress was discovered. Bill Clinton wasn't impeached because of a BJ, he faced impeachment for lying under oath. Historically we can look at this and say it was an overreach by the Republicans. What guy wouldn't have told that lie? When you look at Hillary, who could blame him? Look at what the Kennedys were up to in the White House just thirty years prior to that?

    But in those examples that were cited and considered, no where was the FBI playing an active role on one side of the equation as a partisan participant. They didn't cause Hillary to use a private server to store State Department info. They didn't leak fake information to the press about her just so they could go to judges and say - look what they are writing, we need FISA warrants. No FBI agents said let's send this young big booty honeypot into the Oval Office and get her to compromise the president and make sure she gets some skeet for evidence.

    The behavior of today's FBI and DOJ is very partisan and one sided in their application of resources and it is obvious. It went back to Obama with Lois Lerner and the IRS targeting conservative groups. Garland sends agents to school board meetings to intimidate parents concerned about curriculum. Churches and pro-life organizations are having their facilities vandalized and firebombed. Where's the FBI on that? People are encouraging violence against supreme court justices and there was a legitimate attempt on one's life. Boy, that went away quick. No accountability for those who uttered the words of encouragement there. The summer of violence in 2020 with all the damage, rioting, looting, burning, and dozens of deaths. Yet, we constantly hear the drumbeat that white supremacists are the number one threat in this country. Yeah right. Where has the FBI been on finding those people and holding them accountable?

    In the Mueller example. The failure there was that there was no there, there. It was the time and resources spent that attempted to cast doubt in the minds of the public. More than two years of the breathless reports of yet - another bombshell, another anonymous source says charges are coming, and then nothing. Nothingburger was what you got because nothing was there. It was all made up from a piece of campaign opposition research. A couple process violations totally unrelated to the root investigation because, that's what special counsels do. But in the Mueller example, the FBI was playing a role, a very active role.
    Political correctness,...is the inability to speak the truth about the obvious.

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    • Buford.Justice
      Senior Member
      • May 2020
      • 4981

      #62
      Originally posted by jr29 View Post
      BBQ, I'll wait and see about this.

      January 6 committee has done a good job. Almost every witness was a Trump loyalist at one point. Nary a democrat took the stand that I'm aware of. Trump was totally, 100% willfully negligent that day. I'm not sure he should go to jail for it, but it's probably the worst leadership ever shown by a President.
      Oh sh!t!!!! You are totally off base and full of it. When I want to read something totally rediculous and absurd, all I have to do is wait for ss and jr. Hahahahahahaaa
      If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention!

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      • Buford.Justice
        Senior Member
        • May 2020
        • 4981

        #63
        Originally posted by jr29 View Post
        Biden wasn't my pick either. He's done some good stuff, other stuff not so much and he is definitely too old. He's a d@#n sight better than Trump though.
        What good stuff? Resigning a long time ago. That would have been a first!!!!
        If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention!

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        • jr29
          Senior Member
          • May 2007
          • 829

          #64
          Originally posted by Morgs153 View Post
          The example of Comey's actions in October 2016 is a unique one. You can bet it was something he absolutely didn't want to do because the cover for Hillary was already laid down. It was the revelations of the Anthony Weiner scandal and his connection to Hillary's aid Huma Abedin and their access to info that was on Hillary's device(s) that made them reopen the matter just before the election. Comey gave it another inelegant smooth over. It can be debated whether the incident hurt Cankles and helped Trump but in the end, she was a lousy and unlikable candidate and probably lost all on her own.

          As far as Whitewater and the special counsel is concerned I'll admit, that made me take a second look at the employment of special counsels. Once a SC is appointed, it becomes a never-ending free for all and that sword cuts both ways. But, that being said, during that time the Clintons were notorious for slow dragging any cooperation in the matter. The duration and timeline of Whitewater lays at their feet. I still remember the lines, "Oh that's old news. Oh you're still talking about that?" They made Ken Starr work for everything he got.

          Fast forward a little bit and the big budget battle between the Gingrich congress and Bill Clinton was on. Remember the government shutdown? Clinton was very famous for saying, bring it on, we'll blame it on Gingrich, and the voters will believe us. Clinton got his way. Because government was shut down there was less staff on hand. It made it possible for Bill Clinton to meet young staffer Monica Lewinsky in a happy accident of fate. She was delivering him a pizza if I recall. Then things blossomed after that, you might say even - exploded. The fate of the incident was a creation of their political manipulation of the shutdown. The only thing worse than getting what you want - is sometimes getting just what you want.

          More slow dragging by the Clintons and more tenacity by Ken Starr and the blue dress was discovered. Bill Clinton wasn't impeached because of a BJ, he faced impeachment for lying under oath. Historically we can look at this and say it was an overreach by the Republicans. What guy wouldn't have told that lie? When you look at Hillary, who could blame him? Look at what the Kennedys were up to in the White House just thirty years prior to that?

          But in those examples that were cited and considered, no where was the FBI playing an active role on one side of the equation as a partisan participant. They didn't cause Hillary to use a private server to store State Department info. They didn't leak fake information to the press about her just so they could go to judges and say - look what they are writing, we need FISA warrants. No FBI agents said let's send this young big booty honeypot into the Oval Office and get her to compromise the president and make sure she gets some skeet for evidence.

          The behavior of today's FBI and DOJ is very partisan and one sided in their application of resources and it is obvious. It went back to Obama with Lois Lerner and the IRS targeting conservative groups. Garland sends agents to school board meetings to intimidate parents concerned about curriculum. Churches and pro-life organizations are having their facilities vandalized and firebombed. Where's the FBI on that? People are encouraging violence against supreme court justices and there was a legitimate attempt on one's life. Boy, that went away quick. No accountability for those who uttered the words of encouragement there. The summer of violence in 2020 with all the damage, rioting, looting, burning, and dozens of deaths. Yet, we constantly hear the drumbeat that white supremacists are the number one threat in this country. Yeah right. Where has the FBI been on finding those people and holding them accountable?

          In the Mueller example. The failure there was that there was no there, there. It was the time and resources spent that attempted to cast doubt in the minds of the public. More than two years of the breathless reports of yet - another bombshell, another anonymous source says charges are coming, and then nothing. Nothingburger was what you got because nothing was there. It was all made up from a piece of campaign opposition research. A couple process violations totally unrelated to the root investigation because, that's what special counsels do. But in the Mueller example, the FBI was playing a role, a very active role.
          I agree with a good bit of that. You did lose me with the "summer of violence" part. I'm not sure what that has to do with the FBI.
          Lots of resources were exhausted trying to uncover dirt on Trump and his associates. Some was uncovered. Paul Manafort has now admitted that he did communicate classified information with Russians.
          I think there is a distinct possibility that the FBI looks one sided because one guy (Trump) engaged in more questionable and sleazy behavior than most of his predecessors combined.

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          • Barbecueboy
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2013
            • 18116

            #65
            Originally posted by jr29 View Post
            BBQ, I buy groceries too. It stinks right now. Look at the grandstands at most of these races right now though. They are packed. Monday night in Superior Wisconsin...packed.
            It's not as bad as a lot on the right want us to believe.
            Packed dirt track stands aren’t exactly a real good barometer of the state of the union….just the state of frustration of working people and the desire to see something good and of value despite overpaying for everything to get there.

            It’s that bad brother.
            Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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            • ZERO25
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2018
              • 5240

              #66
              QUOTE:...I hate Trump


              Nuff said!!!

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              • Morgs153
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2020
                • 857

                #67
                In the wake of the summer of violence in 2020, did the DOJ ever really go after the Antifa and BLM agitators and participants? What I remember is that a whole lot of people got charges dropped and reduced and we have a current VP who was actively engaged in a bail fund to get those people released when they were involved in that activity.

                That was the point of that comment. It goes to the example of the two tiers of justice and their selective enforcement.
                Political correctness,...is the inability to speak the truth about the obvious.

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                • Barbecueboy
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 18116

                  #68
                  Whoomp, there it is…….
                  Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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                  • ImCryn2
                    Banned
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 885

                    #69
                    Originally posted by jr29 View Post
                    BBQ, I buy groceries too. It stinks right now. Look at the grandstands at most of these races right now though. They are packed. Monday night in Superior Wisconsin...packed.
                    It's not as bad as a lot on the right want us to believe.
                    "It stinks" is an understatement. We are getting it from every direction right now because our politicians are too busy with Trump to do their (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) jobs. Every monthly bill I have that's not locked in has increased, and not just by a few percent either!!!

                    I'm not sure I would judge the state of the country by the crowd at a dirt track race, we all know people spend money they don't have. Heck, I work with guys that barely make $30/hour and somehow have $80,000 pickups, $30,000 Harleys and $300,000 homes. The math just isn't there.

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                    • Buford.Justice
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2020
                      • 4981

                      #70
                      Some Congress people called Democrats are actually right out there in protests either acting like they are in handcuffs or dressed like Muslim Brotherhood members. ha Dem Mayor with a paint roller painting BLM in 20 foot letter on the streets of New York, But "Orange Man Bad"!!!!!

                      Oh yeah orange man bad!!!! Fools!!!
                      If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention!

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                      • Barbecueboy
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2013
                        • 18116

                        #71
                        You spelled idiots wrong CW……
                        Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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                        • Rajflyboy
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2020
                          • 5907

                          #72
                          Originally posted by Buford.Justice View Post
                          Some Congress people called Democrats are actually right out there in protests either acting like they are in handcuffs or dressed like Muslim Brotherhood members. ha Dem Mayor with a paint roller painting BLM in 20 foot letter on the streets of New York, But "Orange Man Bad"!!!!! Oh yeah orange man bad!!!! Fools!!!
                          Some of them have nice Latino Booties 😜

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                          • Barbecueboy
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2013
                            • 18116

                            #73
                            Doesn’t matter what the dem booties look like, they all have their head in them most times.
                            Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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                            • Rajflyboy
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2020
                              • 5907

                              #74

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                              • Raceready
                                Senior Member
                                • Jun 2015
                                • 4737

                                #75
                                " Racist sexist comments " ? ? LOL

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