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Switching subject and hiding won’t change your mantra, you know —------- Trump raping and molesting 14yr old girls? We’re still waiting on your evidence. Or was that just another one of your lies?
And, what’s wrong with healthcare. Are you stupid —-- your Boy Obama fixed it during his administration. Affordable Health Care Act. Free health care for all, or did you forget.
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Healthcare should be free like every other major developed nation.Originally posted by lurker View PostComment
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Originally posted by Tyy7777 View Post- That’s not very “Centrist”
- Sounds pretty Leftist to me.
- Sounds a bit socialist too.
- Like I’ve told you before, MOVE. “every other major developed nation.” needs you.
- Canada needs you first.https://fee.org/articles/canadas-ailing-national-healthcare-is-not-a-model-for-america/
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/canada/canadas-health-care-system-collapsing-as-surgeries-rise-but-patients-suffer-longer-waits-and-deadly-delays/articleshow/121817689.cms?from=mdr
https://www.google.com/search?q=canadian+health+care+system+collapsing&cl ient=firefox-b-1-d&sca_esv=69712fe11d95a8b5&biw=1920&bih=954&sxsr f= AE3TifNZL0HckvZL7C72fweHR9xSAPQVTQ%3A1764138913323 &ei=oZ8mabnFE9b8ptQPso2N6AE&oq=canada+healthcar e+d ebacle&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiGWNhbmFkYSBoZWFsd GhjYXJlIGRlYmFjbGUqAggAMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxj WBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWB BhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBh HSLMuUABYAHABeACQAQCYAU6gAU6qAQExuAEByAEAmAIBoAIKm AMAiAYBkAYIkgcBMaAHlQayBwC4BwDCBwMyLTHIBwY&sclient =gws-wiz-serp
And NO, healthcare shouldn't be FREE.
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Originally posted by Tyy7777 View Post
NOPE!!!! Here are just some my thoughts, written by AI in this case
Healthcare should not be free because it can lead to economic strain, reduced quality of care, and stifled innovation due to increased costs and potential government inefficiency. Proponents of this view also argue that making healthcare free removes personal responsibility, increases wait times for services, and limits patient choice and the incentive for providers to operate efficiently.
Economic impacts- Higher government spending and taxes:A government-funded healthcare system requires significant public spending, which could lead to higher taxes for citizens.
Reduced private sector investment:Funding from private insurance companies often supports medical innovation. In a "free" system, this funding could decrease, slowing down R\&D.
System and quality issues- Increased wait times: A "free" system could lead to a surge in demand that exceeds supply, resulting in longer wait times for appointments and procedures, particularly for elective surgeries.
Reduced quality of care: Overstretched facilities and potential underfunding due to budget limitations could lead to a decrease in the quality of services offered.
Lack of competition and innovation: Without competition, there may be less incentive for providers to innovate or find more efficient ways to deliver care.
Individual and personal responsibility- Stifled personal responsibility:When there is no price tag on a service, individuals may be less accountable for their health choices, potentially leading to an increase in lifestyle-related illnesses.
Reduced patient choice:Individuals may have fewer choices in their plans or providers compared to a system with private options.
Incentive for inefficiency:"Free" healthcare can remove the incentive for both consumers and providers to make cost-effective decisions, leading to waste.
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Originally posted by Tyy7777 View Post
You’ve gullibly bitten on Leftist propaganda apple thinking health care should be free. Might be one of your more stupid things you've ever said here since you joined.
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Really? So every other developed nation has fallen for it as well? I'm yet to personally speak to one person from overseas who would rather our system.Originally posted by lurker View Post
Also getting AI to write and think for you is pathetic.Comment
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Originally posted by Tyy7777 View Post
I’ve been hearing the same recycled Leftist <socialist> free healthcare propaganda retorts on forum boards going back 25+ years. It's all bull$hit.
Stop the free healthcare fearmongering. Free healthcare is a human right bull$hit doesn't fly with me.
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Originally posted by Tyy7777 View Post
I’m doing what's easiest for me. I’m not retyping something I can have in seconds just to satisfy someone else. Really don’t care what you think.
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Originally posted by Tyy7777 View Post
Originally posted by Tyy7777 View Post
Free healthcare?
Failures in "free" or universal healthcare systems worldwide include
long wait times, limited access to specialists, shortages of medical professionals, and potential for lower quality of care due to funding and resource constraints. Other issues include rising costs that can lead to higher taxes or user fees, administrative inefficiencies, and challenges in maintaining innovation and addressing individual needs. Countries also struggle with insufficient funding, where governments may not meet spending targets, leading to increased out-of-pocket costs for citizens and difficulties in financing primary care.
Common failures and challenges- Long wait times and limited access: A common critique is that universal systems can lead to lengthy waits for appointments and procedures, particularly for non-urgent or specialized care.
- Shortages of staff: High demand and government-set terms for professionals can lead to a shortage of doctors and nurses, as they may choose to leave the public system, exacerbating wait times.
- Insufficient funding and high costs: Many "free" systems struggle with costs. This can lead to underfunding, which results in a trade-off between funding primary care and more expensive treatments. It also may mean increased taxes or user fees for citizens to cover costs.
- Quality of care: Some argue that limited resources and the inability to provide the most advanced treatments can lead to lower overall quality of care.
- System inefficiencies: Bureaucratic inefficiencies and misallocation of resources can hinder a system's effectiveness.
- Stifled innovation: Critics suggest that centralized systems may lack the flexibility to innovate quickly compared to more market-driven systems.
- Unequal impact: Despite the goal of equality, issues like understaffing in rural areas can mean rural populations receive less care, and funding models that prioritize specific services can neglect the needs of the poorest populations.
Examples and context- Funding shortfalls: In many developing nations, government health spending is not sufficient to meet basic needs, with out-of-pocket spending by citizens often exceeding government expenditure.
- Implementation failures: Some countries lack the infrastructure, political stability, or public health systems to effectively implement universal healthcare, leading to a failure in achieving universal coverage.
- Balancing priorities: Governments face difficult choices in allocating budgets. Prioritizing immediate needs like public sanitation can sometimes be a trade-off when competing with healthcare spending.
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Now it's my turn to use AI.Originally posted by lurker View Post
Benefits of Free Healthcare
1. Public Health & Population-Level Benefits- Higher life expectancy due to earlier detection and continuous care.
- Lower infant and maternal mortality rates.
- Better vaccination coverage, reducing spread of preventable diseases.
- Reduced spread of infectious diseases because people aren’t afraid to seek treatment.
- Improved mental health outcomes because cost is not a barrier to treatment.
- Less antibiotic resistance due to supervised medical use rather than self-medicating.
- Earlier detection of serious diseases like cancer or diabetes.
- Better chronic disease management, reducing complications and deaths.
- Improved emergency response outcomes because people go to the hospital sooner.
- Lower overall national burden of disease.
2. Economic Benefits- Lower total national healthcare spending over time due to prevention and early treatment.
- More productive workforce because people are healthier.
- Reduced absenteeism from sickness.
- Public funds saved on late-stage, expensive treatments that are less often needed.
- Lower financial risk for employers, who don’t need to provide insurance.
- Increased economic mobility as people aren’t tied to jobs just for health benefits.
- Better small-business competitiveness because owners don’t have to fund private healthcare.
- Lower household bankruptcy rates related to medical bills (a major issue in countries like the US).
- More consumer spending power, because people aren’t paying large premiums or bills.
- Higher GDP growth potential through a healthier population.
3. Social Benefits- More equal access to treatment, regardless of income.
- Reduction in health inequality between the rich and poor.
- Greater societal stability, as health crises don’t push people into poverty.
- Improved trust in government and institutions due to accessible public services.
- More inclusive care for vulnerable groups (children, elderly, disabled).
- Better community wellbeing, as fewer families are overwhelmed by care costs.
- Reduced stigma around seeking mental or physical healthcare.
4. Benefits for Individuals- No financial barrier to seeing a doctor.
- No surprise medical bills or hidden costs.
- Reduced stress and anxiety around health finances.
- Better long-term health outcomes.
- Improved ability to seek second opinions without cost concerns.
- Greater willingness to seek preventive care (checkups, screenings, vaccinations).
- Easier access to medications.
- More stable and predictable healthcare experience.
- Better access to specialists, including mental health, orthopedics, oncology, etc.
5. Healthcare System Benefits- More consistent patient data due to unified systems.
- Better coordination between hospitals, GPs, and specialists.
- Increased focus on preventive care rather than expensive emergencies.
- Reduced administrative overhead, since billing systems are simpler.
- Fewer insurance-related inefficiencies.
- Stable funding for hospitals, improving equipment and service planning.
- Better national health planning and forecasting.
6. Moral & Ethical Benefits- Healthcare viewed as a human right, not a privilege.
- Reduces the moral harm of people suffering because they cannot pay.
- Increases social fairness—everyone contributes through taxes, everyone benefits.
- Aligns with humanitarian values in most developed nations.
7. Long-Term National Benefits- Stronger resilience to pandemics.
- Better preparation for aging populations.
- Higher national security, since a healthy population is vital.
- More stable demographics due to lower mortality and higher wellbeing.
- Improved global reputation as a socially advanced country.
See? Anyone can do it. How about you stop making BS excuses and actually put effort into your posts like Morgs.Comment
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I’ve said enough —------ This topic does nothing but pi$$ me off, so I need to stop now. I don't want to say anything more that will certainly hurt anyone's feelings.
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