A Bridge Too Far ... On Alex Pretti

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A Bridge Too Far ... On Alex Pretti

[Morgs153]

I will throw a term out that might best try to explain something. Lawful yet awful.

I have some very big disagreements with things I'm hearing from the administration (Bondi, Noem, Patel). I'm a big 2A guy so when I hear that people cannot show up to a protest armed, I strongly disagree. We've seen it many many times around the country that people have come armed to protests of all kinds. I will give you this one thing to consider though. If you do decide that you are going to go armed to a protest you have just put your individual responsibility on a much much higher level. Meaning, you are not going to get directly involved in a confrontation with people who can legally shoot and kill you. That's really a higher level of stupid.

There is not yet a clear cut video view that I can see where and how the first shot was produced. There is one thing that is highly problematic to me and only gun nuts would know this. Pretti was carrying a SigSauer pistol. If anyone knows about the history of Sigs they have problems with accidental discharges. They have had these problems in the inventories of military and law enforcement and entire agencies have made expensive decisions to re-equip and move to a different manufacturer because of the Sig issues (Milwaukee being one of them). One of the things that crossed my mind when I heard Pretti had a Sig was what if it went off during the fight to disarm him? What if that first shot was simply a mechanical mistake from all the jostling around and that provoked the deadly force reaction? I don't know that for sure, yet. The fact remains that he inserted himself into the scuffle while he was armed (lawfully or not) and that was a bad decision to be in that space.

For all the noise that Walz and others are making about how they are going to lead this investigation, they are talking out of their @sses and they know it. This case will remain under federal jurisdiction for reasons already discussed.

Again, you have to ask yourself who is stoking up the actions of these protests? Who is behind the funding and networking? They have set up dispatch operations and round the clock harassment activities. Why? ICE has a job to do authorized by Congress. Regardless of the administration in office, ICE exists and has a job to do.

Name for me another country on this planet where you, or I, or anyone reading this post, could go to and decide - I think I'm going to stay here, illegally. Not only am I going to stay here, you'll owe me money to live on, housing, health care, education assistance, food stamps, etc. Where does that place exist? Should I commit crimes during my illegal stay in that country, will they not kick me out? Who in that country would protest to let me stay there?

[Morgs153]

https://youtu.be/2Hg1LtNqoKU?si=JLMT4TRpPsLHQOcd

My turn to post a video. Here is a pretty rational response from the Chicago Police Chief.

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Morg, please provide some evidence that these protesters are being paid by an organization. If you’re going to make such allegations, back them up with facts. If this were true, why would the convicted felon administration be targeting these organizations? This sounds like the usual right-wing propaganda with no substance. I don’t need some right-wing extremist at a protest claiming I’m being paid to be there—show me the facts.

I watched your video, but you’re comparing apples to oranges. Were these ICE officers boxed in? Nope. Was the weapon displayed like the administration said? Nope. Once the ICE officer took the weapon from Alex, was he still a threat? Why did they need to shoot him ten times? This convicted felon is just trying to scare us all. This incident feels like a warning that if you go against this administration, they’ll kill you—even if you’re an American citizen. Why is the convicted felon administration changing their tune?

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First an Antifa sympathizer, now an Anti-ICE sympathizer —--- only from a convicted 4m felon

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Morg, please provide some evidence that these protesters are being paid by an organization. If you’re going to make such allegations, back them up with facts.

To all: I’ve posted plenty of evidence to McCarter815 about organizations of said paid protesters going back to the Rittenhouse riots days and even more recently with the Good shooting, to Ty.

Been thar' done that.

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Query Paid protesters videos - https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Paid+protesters

Let me know if you need more evidence

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They Don’t Want This Video Getting Out.......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKvfgeMmlZo

[Morgs153]

The protest crowd had their SIGNAL chat infiltrated and the user names were displayed on numerous sites, linking all the way up to some high level folks. This is a very coordinated effort. Reread my post if you must but I didn't say Pretti or anyone else was "paid" but I did say that the effort was funded and networked. Efforts like this don't start with zero dollars or continue with zero dollars.

The piece I posted from the Chicago Police Chief is relevant. When and where has any high level official in Minnesota given the same advice or similar advice? Stay the %$#@ out of the way and don't get directly involved in what the federal authorities are doing. That's pretty sound advice. Had Minnesota officials decided to give that advice Good and Pretti might still be alive.

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The protest crowd had their SIGNAL chat infiltrated and the user names were displayed on numerous sites, linking all the way up to some high level folks.

Amanda Koehler works for Tim Walz?

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Morg, great, just more word salad, and still no organization named as funding the local protesters. It’s all the same right-wing propaganda and lies that have been around for decades. Same old rhetoric. What would it cost to pay 50,000 protesters in minus 20-degree weather? Plenty of claims but no sources. High-level figures mentioned but none identified. So, whether citizens lean right or left, are they not allowed to organize and protest? Is that even against the law?

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Protest, fine. Go ahead and protest. But you cross a line when you are obstructing, impeding, and blocking efforts of a federal law enforcement agency to do their mandated jobs.

Amanda Koehler was one name already mentioned above. Peggy Flanagan is another that is showing up in stories.

Don't think for one minute that these people are actually grieving for Good and Pretti. This is exactly what they wanted. This is more of the - never let a crisis go to waste - mentality. Oh they can act upset, sure enough. But these useful idiot martyrs take the focus off Walz and the Somali scandal and pay dividends in other ways. The people taking a dump in the pot, turning up the heat and doing the stirring have no problem actually sending these people into the fray. If there was actual grief over the first death these people would be getting out front and instructing, pleading and demanding that the protesters stay back and out of the way and not become kinetic participants. They would be using their local police and other resources for crowd and traffic control to keep the protesters safely away from danger. Because that would be a responsible thing to do.

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Ignorance killed Alex Pretti. Plain and simple. When you go to a hostile protest with a weapon, engage armed officers while in possession of a gun, you're asking for trouble. He's dead because he made a terrible decision.

[Morgs153]

I took this from an article I just read.

Eric Schwalm is a retired Special Forces warrant officer, and what he sees is a level of coordination that is typical not for protests, but for insurgencies.

As a former Special Forces Warrant Officer with multiple rotations running counterinsurgency ops—both hunting insurgents and trying to separate them from sympathetic populations—I’ve seen organized resistance up close. From Anbar to Helmand, the pattern is familiar: spotters, cutouts, dead drops (or modern equivalents), disciplined comms, role specialization, and a willingness to absorb casualties while bleeding the stronger force slowly.

What’s unfolding in Minneapolis right now isn’t “protest.” It’s low-level insurgency infrastructure, built by people who’ve clearly studied the playbook.

Signal groups at 1,000-member cap per zone. Dedicated roles: mobile chasers, plate checkers logging vehicle data into shared databases, 24/7 dispatch nodes vectoring assets, SALUTE-style reporting (Size, Activity, Location, Unit, Time, Equipment) on suspected federal vehicles. Daily chat rotations and timed deletions to frustrate forensic recovery. Vetting processes for new joiners. Mutual aid from sympathetic locals (teachers providing cover, possible PD tip-offs on license plate lookups). Home-base coordination points. Rapid escalation from observation to physical obstruction—or worse.

This isn’t spontaneous outrage. This is C2 (command and control) with redundancy, OPSEC hygiene, and task organization that would make a SF team sergeant nod in recognition. Replace “ICE agents” with “occupying coalition forces” and the structure maps almost 1:1 to early-stage urban cells we hunted in the mid-2000s.

The most sobering part? It’s domestic. Funded, trained (somewhere), and directed by people who live in the same country they’re trying to paralyze law enforcement in. When your own citizens build and operate this level of parallel intelligence and rapid-response network against federal officers—complete with doxxing, vehicle pursuits, and harassment that’s already turned lethal—you’re no longer dealing with civil disobedience. You’re facing a distributed resistance that’s learned the lessons of successful insurgencies: stay below the kinetic threshold most of the time, force over-reaction when possible, maintain popular support through narrative, and never present a single center of gravity.

I spent years training partner forces to dismantle exactly this kind of apparatus. Now pieces of it are standing up in American cities, enabled by elements of local government and civil society. That should keep every thinking American awake at night.

Not because I want escalation. But because history shows these things don’t de-escalate on their own once the infrastructure exists and the cadre believe they’re winning the information war.

We either recognize what we’re actually looking at—or we pretend it’s still just “activism” until the structures harden and spread.

[Morgs153]

So did anyone else see the piece in the news today that Pretti actually had a broken rib from an encounter with ICE? From a week BEFORE the shooting that killed him.

So, he doubled down on his stupidity.